Trade Idea: Charlotte : How Bad do they want to dump SJax?

[csfansince60s]

Charlotte very much wants to move SJax http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211131/Bobcats_Still_Looking_To_Move_Jackson and are contemplating moving Diaw because they want to go in a new direction. How desperate is Charlotte to move SJax? Would Charlotte bite on this or are not getting enough for these pieces.http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5855283

Boston gets: SJax, Diaw and Livingston

Charlotte gets: Baby, JO, MD, Bradley and Nate + cash plus our 1 and 2 picks this year.

This also works if you leave Livingston out, but that would create roster space issues for them. Maybe filler other than Livingston.

We get a hardnosed 3 who can score and a tough rebounder in Diaw and an upgrade at backup point guard if he's included.

Charlotte saves big $$$ on both SJax and Diaw's salaries over the next 2 1/2 years, gets $$$ to ease buyouts pain and gets 3 players in BBD, Bradley and Nate.

The real questions are how bad does Charlotte want to jump SJax and are we willing to take him on past 2012.

[Junkyard Dawg]

Sjax would never want to come off the bench.  Diaw is not an upgrade over BBD.  I don't think Livingston is an upgrade over Nate (or delonte).  Plus who is our backup 4 if this happens?  Diaw?

I like sjax, but not as a backup and not really on this team.. so actually I don't really like sjax at all.

[greenhead85]

Charlotte very much wants to move SJax http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211131/Bobcats_Still_Looking_To_Move_Jackson and are contemplating moving Diaw because they want to go in a new direction. How desperate is Charlotte to move SJax? Would Charlotte bite on this or are not getting enough for these pieces.http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5855283

Boston gets: SJax, Diaw and Livingston

Charlotte gets: Baby, JO, MD, Bradley and Nate + cash plus our 1 and 2 picks this year.

This also works if you leave Livingston out, but that would create roster space issues for them. Maybe filler other than Livingston.

We get a hardnosed 3 who can score and a tough rebounder in Diaw and an upgrade at backup point guard if he's included.

Charlotte saves big $$$ on both SJax and Diaw's salaries over the next 2 1/2 years, gets $$$ to ease buyouts pain and gets 3 players in BBD, Bradley and Nate.

The real questions are how bad does Charlotte want to jump SJax and are we willing to take him on past 2012.

The players and picks (even without the picks) we are giving up for this trade with Charlotte could net us a much better one. Those players  are enough for us to acquire OKC players like Jeff Green, Mo Pete, BJ Mullens and Nenad Krstic. If they don't want JO we can give them Perk instead.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5855404

[csfansince60s]

Sjax would never want to come off the bench.  Diaw is not an upgrade over BBD.  I don't think Livingston is an upgrade over Nate (or delonte).  Plus who is our backup 4 if this happens?  Diaw?

I like sjax, but not as a backup and not really on this team.. so actually I don't really like sjax at all.

I've rethought my position regarding Baby, but not about SJax. Losing Baby at this point in the season would be tough to compensate for.

However,I think SJax would be fine for this team as constructed coming off the bench because I think he would get decent minutes backing up the 2 and 3 and even the 4 on occasions when we go small and would have a great chance for a ring and he's still getting paid. Also, he's great insurance in case we have (gulp) an injury on the wing. The only hesitation I would have would be his contract.

After rethinking my position about Baby, this trade still works minus Baby and Diaw. http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5855544

Boston gets: SJax, Livingston and Kwame

Charlotte gets: JO,Nate, MD, Bradley and cash and picks as needed

We get a a tough backup wing and a legit backup point guard and help at the 5.

They get rid of SJax and get two young relatively cheap players and whatever else in cash and picks.

[pearljammer10]

I would love both Sjax and Diaw on this team. Diaw is a very underratted player and he could easily play our back up four. I dont think I would pull the trigger on this trade this season just for the purpose of chemistry.

[csfansince60s]

I don't think Livingston is an upgrade over Nate (or delonte). 

I believe he is better than Nate as a point guard. He has a better handle, is a better passer, has better court vision and can even post up over smaller points (ask Nate about that). Also, Delonte being  at 100% is no guarantee for us.

[More Banners]

Jackson has a pretty bad attitude, and despite his talent, he's probably not worth much.  He's probably the most underpaid #1 or 2 offensive option in the NBA that isn't on a rookie deal, and yet teams aren't clamoring for an opportunity to acquire him.

I think if he came to the C's in the offseason and went through a full camp and regular season, the character of this team and Doc might be able to bring him along, but to bring him in at this point in the season would be a huge, huge risk.

Gerald Wallace and Gerald Henderson, on the other hand...

[csfansince60s]

Jackson has a pretty bad attitude, and despite his talent, he's probably not worth much.  He's probably the most underpaid #1 or 2 offensive option in the NBA that isn't on a rookie deal, and yet teams aren't clamoring for an opportunity to acquire him.

I think if he came to the C's in the offseason and went through a full camp and regular season, the character of this team and Doc might be able to bring him along, but to bring him in at this point in the season would be a huge, huge risk.

Gerald Wallace and Gerald Henderson, on the other hand...

Would you swallow SJax antics and contract this year http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5856642 if Henderson were included?

JO, Nate, MD, Bradley + cash + both picks this year for SJax, Henderson and Kwame, or.......

Nate, Quis,Bradley, Gody + cash + both picks this year for SJax and Henderson with no Kwame http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5856651 ??

[More Banners]

Jackson has a pretty bad attitude, and despite his talent, he's probably not worth much.  He's probably the most underpaid #1 or 2 offensive option in the NBA that isn't on a rookie deal, and yet teams aren't clamoring for an opportunity to acquire him.

I think if he came to the C's in the offseason and went through a full camp and regular season, the character of this team and Doc might be able to bring him along, but to bring him in at this point in the season would be a huge, huge risk.

Gerald Wallace and Gerald Henderson, on the other hand...

Would you swallow SJax antics and contract this year http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5856642 if Henderson were included?

JO, Nate, MD, Bradley + cash + both picks this year for SJax, Henderson and Kwame, or.......

Nate, Quis,Bradley, Gody + cash + both picks this year for SJax and Henderson with no Kwame http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5856651 ??

The antics are pretty tough to take, but Danny seems cool with it (e.g. Sheed).  Midseason pickups don't have as long to get it together, though...maybe it would work.

The salary this year isn't the problem, it's the $10 million in 12/13...but he's probably worth that much fairly easily, at least under current CBA rules.

With Jax and Wallace both having 3 years left, our 2-year guys might actually be good trade bait (JO and Nate).

Yes, I'd do those deals in a second, especially the one that includes Kwame.  I might even be willing to throw in a night with Wyc's wife (if I were Danny...), since that deal would pretty much put the C's over the top as the odds-on favorite this year, and I like Henderson for both his emerging ability as a backup SG and the whole legacy thing (the 84 title).  I think MJ really likes GH, and won't give him up.

[Eddie20]

I think this one seems fairly reasonable for both sides...

C's Receive:

Jackson
Brown


Bobcats Receive:

Robinson
Daniels
Harangody
Cash (for Daniels Buyout)


Why for the C's?

Jackson fills a variety of needs. He has experience, can score, handle the ball, is a good spot up shooter, and an excellent defender. He has shown the ability to defend face up PF's (Dirk) in the past successfully. This gives us versatility in defending Bosh.

Brown is someone we workout out, and liked, this off-season. In fact, we wanted him ahead of Shaq. He has been playing well and this gives us another 7 footer on the roster.

The extra roster space allows the opportunity to sign a bought out player. Daniels if health permits?

Why not for the C's?

Obviously, Jackson comes with his share of baggage. Will his personality shake our locker room? That said, the word on him is that he usually wears out his welcome after 2 years. So perhaps the clock is reset on our team.

A major issue is cap. We're in prime position to be major players in 2012. Jackson's contract is a hinderance.

This leaves us with only one PG (is Nate really that?) and West has only played 5 games.

Could Brown return to his lazy and injury prone ways? It would be sad to have another 7 footer on the injury roster.

Why for the Bobcats?

Pure salary/personality dump in Jackson. Addition by subtraction in their case. They're able to save salary this season with the cash buyout of Daniels.

Allows more PT for Henderson.

Why not for the Bobcats?

Robinson would be their 3rd pg and it's questionable if he could supplant Livingston, who they're also committed to.

Brown has an expiring contract anyways and has been playing well under Silas.

[barefacedmonk]

Via Adrian Wojnarowski's twitter.

Charlotte's active in talks to move Gerald Wallace and/or Stephen Jackson, league execs say. Houston, Portland, others w/ eye on Wallace.

[Eddie20]

Via Adrian Wojnarowski's twitter.

Charlotte's active in talks to move Gerald Wallace and/or Stephen Jackson, league execs say. Houston, Portland, others w/ eye on Wallace.

That looks like straight salary dumps. To Houston for Jefferies? To Portland for Pryzbilla?

[Smitty77]

We simply have to steal GWall from them.  He was meant to play in green!!!  He plays hard both ways as we demand.

Get it done Danny.

Glen Davis, Nate, and Marquis for GWall works with Daniels approval.

Charlotte gets a chance to re-sign Big Baby.  They can give Nate a look-see next year, and they will buy out Daniels. 

[Megatron]

I don't think Livingston is an upgrade over Nate (or delonte). 

I believe he is better than Nate as a point guard. He has a better handle, is a better passer, has better court vision and can even post up over smaller points (ask Nate about that). Also, Delonte being  at 100% is no guarantee for us.

Livingston is leagues and bounds better then Nate.

Livingston has a Kobe like offense, have you seen him playing vs the C's? He looked like Kobe out there, a mirror image.

[gpap]

Charlotte very much wants to move SJax http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211131/Bobcats_Still_Looking_To_Move_Jackson and are contemplating moving Diaw because they want to go in a new direction. How desperate is Charlotte to move SJax? Would Charlotte bite on this or are not getting enough for these pieces.http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5855283

Boston gets: SJax, Diaw and Livingston

Charlotte gets: Baby, JO, MD, Bradley and Nate + cash plus our 1 and 2 picks this year.

This also works if you leave Livingston out, but that would create roster space issues for them. Maybe filler other than Livingston.

We get a hardnosed 3 who can score and a tough rebounder in Diaw and an upgrade at backup point guard if he's included.

Charlotte saves big $$$ on both SJax and Diaw's salaries over the next 2 1/2 years, gets $$$ to ease buyouts pain and gets 3 players in BBD, Bradley and Nate.

The real questions are how bad does Charlotte want to jump SJax and are we willing to take him on past 2012.

I would do this in a heartbeat for the Celtics! Again, I think it's the other team (in this case Charlotte) that wouldn't budge. For the Celtics, it would be a bigger steal than a bank robbery at 3am.