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May's trade ideas
« on: February 17, 2011, 10:03:13 PM »

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http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=6133050

I hadn't seen the Childress idea yet...I see the downside with his contract, but he would definitely help this year.

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 10:09:30 PM »

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I want no part of Childress.  $7 million per year for four more years, for a guy averaging 5 points per game?  No thanks.


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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 10:15:46 PM »

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Wafer is basically Childress just 6 million cheaper

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Wafer is basically Childress just 6 million cheaper

And with Range.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 10:34:23 PM »

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would have liked to see May's actual trade proposals for each of those guys - he hinted at some but didn't go into detail

I do like the idea of offering O'Neal or Nate to teams looking to shed a guy with years of salary - though I wouldn't want to add a guy for more than 2 years if possible
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 11:05:59 PM »

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The Childress we faced in the play-offs 3 years ago (ATL) was a very good player. I can't believe he has become a worse player in the last 3 years. He is still quite young.  I think he would do very well here.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 12:38:22 AM »

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The Childress we faced in the play-offs 3 years ago (ATL) was a very good player. I can't believe he has become a worse player in the last 3 years. He is still quite young.  I think he would do very well here.

You don't need to believe it, for it to be true.

Absolutely no way I touch that Childress contract unless they want to throw in something VERY good to sweeten the pot.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 09:28:45 AM »

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Of all the ideas May floated, the only one that really seems like a good one to me is the Nate/Quis for Posey deal. 

If I'm Ainge, I only make it if I know Quis can't come back; however, if that's the case I think it's a good deal.  Indy clears some space next year and we get better size and flexibility at the 1-3.

As currently composed (with Nate, West, and Wafer backing up the 1-3 respectively), we really are hurt by size and the fact that if Pierce and Wafer both get into foul trouble in a playoff game (a very realize possibility against LeBron), we're stuck with Ray, West, or Luke Harangody guarding him. 

Pickup Posey, and you have a legit backup 3 with size, AND have the option to swing Wafer to the 3 still (next to Ray or Delonte) if Posey and Pierce both pickup cheap fouls. 

It also works nicely at the 2 where Wafer becomes Allen's primary backup, but we have the option of playing Delonte next to Rondo if both Allen and Wafer pickup cheap fouls guarding the likes of Wade or Kobe in a playoff game. 

And I really do think that Posey could see some type of a resurgence returning here.  It won't be quite on the level of Hedo in Orlando (since Posey was never that good anyway and certainly won't play as much).  And let's also remember that a lot less will be expected of him than in 2008, where Doc (at times) used him as the backup 2, 3, and 4.  Now, he'll only have to play 10-15 mpg backing up Pierce. 

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I think the only way the Posey deal gets done is if it's JO. If Ainge feels he's done but won't admit it / retire, it could happen. If not, I doubt it.
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I think the only way the Posey deal gets done is if it's JO. If Ainge feels he's done but won't admit it / retire, it could happen. If not, I doubt it.

But if Quis can't play again this season, is Nate really that big of a loss? 

Trading him frees up time for Wafer to play at the natural 2 spot, while simultaneously giving us better size, defense, and playmaking at the 1 (with West moving there) and better size and defense at the 3. 

I like Nate; however, if we have a chance to get a legit 3, I'm not attached to him. 

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I want no part of Childress.  $7 million per year for four more years, for a guy averaging 5 points per game?  No thanks.

No matter how you cut it, the contract is bad.  However, I think Phoenix is just a terrible fit, and he will return to form in more of a halfcourt system that rewards defense and offensive versatility, rather than just catch and shoot guys who can finish on the fast break (which is all they want from their wings in Phoenix).

I think he is basically a less injury prone and better shooting version of Quis. 

I hate to pay any role player $7 million per year, but I think Childress would be an excellent fit for the C's. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2011, 10:27:48 AM »

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I think the only way the Posey deal gets done is if it's JO. If Ainge feels he's done but won't admit it / retire, it could happen. If not, I doubt it.

But if Quis can't play again this season, is Nate really that big of a loss? 

Trading him frees up time for Wafer to play at the natural 2 spot, while simultaneously giving us better size, defense, and playmaking at the 1 (with West moving there) and better size and defense at the 3. 

I like Nate; however, if we have a chance to get a legit 3, I'm not attached to him. 

It's tough, West has already had a set back from his injury and I don't think we can exactly count on him to just come in with no insurance.

Posey is really intriguing though. I could definitely see him being rejuvenated to play with us again. He doesn't need to be what he was in 08 but I'm sure he can still defend wings better than than average.

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I think the only way the Posey deal gets done is if it's JO. If Ainge feels he's done but won't admit it / retire, it could happen. If not, I doubt it.

But if Quis can't play again this season, is Nate really that big of a loss? 

Trading him frees up time for Wafer to play at the natural 2 spot, while simultaneously giving us better size, defense, and playmaking at the 1 (with West moving there) and better size and defense at the 3. 

I like Nate; however, if we have a chance to get a legit 3, I'm not attached to him. 

It's tough, West has already had a set back from his injury and I don't think we can exactly count on him to just come in with no insurance.

Posey is really intriguing though. I could definitely see him being rejuvenated to play with us again. He doesn't need to be what he was in 08 but I'm sure he can still defend wings better than than average.

2 factors: 1) Posey is no longer as good of a player as Nate, and 2) Ainge is not going to be quick to trade for a guy who he sent packing some years ago. He's not going to send out a meaningful asset for a guy riding the bench on a bad team making 7 mil next season.
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I think the only way the Posey deal gets done is if it's JO. If Ainge feels he's done but won't admit it / retire, it could happen. If not, I doubt it.

But if Quis can't play again this season, is Nate really that big of a loss? 

Trading him frees up time for Wafer to play at the natural 2 spot, while simultaneously giving us better size, defense, and playmaking at the 1 (with West moving there) and better size and defense at the 3. 

I like Nate; however, if we have a chance to get a legit 3, I'm not attached to him. 

It's tough, West has already had a set back from his injury and I don't think we can exactly count on him to just come in with no insurance.

Posey is really intriguing though. I could definitely see him being rejuvenated to play with us again. He doesn't need to be what he was in 08 but I'm sure he can still defend wings better than than average.

2 factors: 1) Posey is no longer as good of a player as Nate, and 2) Ainge is not going to be quick to trade for a guy who he sent packing some years ago. He's not going to send out a meaningful asset for a guy riding the bench on a bad team making 7 mil next season.

Depends on how you define "valuable."

Can Nate put up more points?  Sure, but with his size and the return of West, he's limited to only playing the 1, which means he's only going to play 5-10 mpg in the playoffs.  That value is further mitigated by the fact that the C's are probably better off just giving those minutes to Delonte. 

Then factor in that we don't have a true 3, and Posey's value becomes a lot more apparent.

Is Nate potentially better than Posey in a vacuum?  Sure.  However, we're not playing in a vacuum.  We're playing in a reality where we have a guy who can backup Rondo and we have no true 3 to backup Pierce in a Conference where we're likely going to have to face the likes of James, Deng, and/or Hedo on the way to the Finals.