Trade Idea - Quisy for TA

[Fafnir]

if you are saying approx $6M...

yes...

it is worth it...

unless...

you have a better idea...

Its actually 12 million due to the luxury tax.

[BballTim]

Mentioned this in a previous thread:  TA walked because the Celtics wouldn't give him the 3rd year he wanted.  When he told them that Memphis offered a 3rd year, they told him to take the offer.  Why would the Celtics then trade for the exact contract that they refused to give him eight months ago?

  Based on the quotes immediately after he left I doubt that they told him to take the offer, more likely he didn't give them a chance to match.

[rutzan]

ok...now i'm getting confused...

there have been 3 figures quoted...$6M, $12M and $13M...

can anyone really confirm the real and actual figure...

[CDawg834]

ok...now i'm getting confused...

there have been 3 figures quoted...$6M, $12M and $13M...

can anyone really confirm the real and actual figure...

I explained that it depends on the luxury tax situation.  His salary is 6.45 mil over the next 2 seasons.  If the Celtics are over the luxury tax threshold the next 2 years (they're over it this year), they would pay a dollar for dollar tax for every dollar they're over.

So let's say they're already gonna be over next year:  You add TAs $3.15 million contract to the books, and then add $3.15 million in luxury tax they would have to pay.  Repeat in 2012-13.  The $13 million is the potential amount they would pay if they remain over the tax threshold both of the next 2 years.

[CDawg834]

Mentioned this in a previous thread:  TA walked because the Celtics wouldn't give him the 3rd year he wanted.  When he told them that Memphis offered a 3rd year, they told him to take the offer.  Why would the Celtics then trade for the exact contract that they refused to give him eight months ago?

  Based on the quotes immediately after he left I doubt that they told him to take the offer, more likely he didn't give them a chance to match.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that I read in the paper that he went back to the Celtics to see if they would give him a third year and they said no.

[rutzan]

sorry...i do not think you got it all right...

first you are not accounting for taking quisy's contract off the books...

second...you get what you pay for...

if you want to pay league min or vet min...you get a poor player...

i'm not really looking at his salary per se...

once again...you get what you pay for...

i would look at luxury tax...

if it's $6.45m...

once again...

i would do it...

unless people think scraping something from the bottom of the barrel as a band aid will really help...

then we have better chance of winning the lottery than really helping the team...

we should really be looking at helping the team...

not relegated to hoping is some band-aid or quick fix...

[CDawg834]

first you are not accounting for taking quisy's contract off the books...

Actually, I did.  All guaranteed contracts next year will total 78.5 million, this does NOT count Marquis.  For the past few seasons, the tax threshold has been around $70 mil.  Safe bet they are paying the tax again next year.

But regardless of $$$ we just have a difference of opinion.  You think TA's worth the money, and I don't.  The Celtics apparently don't think he is either, because I think they would have re-signed him if they did.

[rutzan]

i think we'll be forced into this situation anyway...

DA knows this this...

that is why he is already talking trade...

he knows league min and vet min will probably not really help...

if not TA, he will have trade for somebody...

[pearljammer10]

if you are saying approx $6M...

yes...

it is worth it...

unless...

you have a better idea...

I do have a better Idea... Stand pat. I'd rather have our roster as it is than take Tony Allen and his 2 more years.

[Rondo9dunx]

TA wasn't traded because we didn't need him. He was traded because he didn't want to play 10 minutes a game off the bench. Why would he come back?

I don't think he'd be too happy w/that, therefore I wouldn't want him on our team. Unless he said he was all for it and wanted to play for us really bad, but I doubt he will.

[Fafnir]

Mentioned this in a previous thread:  TA walked because the Celtics wouldn't give him the 3rd year he wanted.  When he told them that Memphis offered a 3rd year, they told him to take the offer.  Why would the Celtics then trade for the exact contract that they refused to give him eight months ago?

  Based on the quotes immediately after he left I doubt that they told him to take the offer, more likely he didn't give them a chance to match.

That'd make sense to me, but we really can't know.

Doc/Ainge did seem shocked that he left.

[Bankshot]

TA wasn't traded because we didn't need him. He was traded because he didn't want to play 10 minutes a game off the bench. Why would he come back?

I don't think he'd be too happy w/that, therefore I wouldn't want him on our team. Unless he said he was all for it and wanted to play for us really bad, but I doubt he will.

TA wasn't traded, he left as a free agent.  Ainge and Pierce thought Tony was going to re-sign with the Celtics, but he didn't.  They did want him back.