Perkins turned down Celtics offer

[thirstyboots18]

Its weird but methinks that maybe..we're watching the departure of les perkins.

1) Because after KG, Ray and Paul leave...Perkins has no place on this roster. He complements the current cast well, but as a building piece, he's a role player. Its okay to overpay a role player if he is consistent and important, but without the supporting cast, Glen Davis is more important than Perkins, because no one else on the rooster can score a bucket.

2) 7.5 million is above the MLE. That means Perkins' own self imposed price tag is above the MLE.

I SOOOOO disagree with you, IP!  Maybe you would be right if this supporting cast was going to be the starting line in two years...it is not.  Rondo and Perk are the perfect place to start the rebuilding process.  Hopefully, Danny can fill in the pieces that will be left by KG and Allen when the time comes.  If Perk were to go to someone like Miami, that would make our rebuilding even more difficult.  Good big men are hard to find.  Good defensive big men are almost impossible to find.

[Mike-Dub]

Its weird but methinks that maybe..we're watching the departure of les perkins.

1) Because after KG, Ray and Paul leave...Perkins has no place on this roster. He complements the current cast well, but as a building piece, he's a role player. Its okay to overpay a role player if he is consistent and important, but without the supporting cast, Glen Davis is more important than Perkins, because no one else on the rooster can score a bucket.

2) 7.5 million is above the MLE. That means Perkins' own self imposed price tag is above the MLE.

I SOOOOO disagree with you, IP!  Maybe you would be right if this supporting cast was going to be the starting line in two years...it is not.  Rondo and Perk are the perfect place to start the rebuilding process.  Hopefully, Danny can fill in the pieces that will be left by KG and Allen when the time comes.  If Perk were to go to someone like Miami, that would make our rebuilding even more difficult.  Good big men are hard to find.  Good defensive big men are almost impossible to find.

TP Thirsty completely agree!

[jdub1660]

approx 30m/4yrs is around 7-8m per year. i say it sounds fair given his capabilities.

in a similar vein, i just finished my first year in the Association with 2k11 and i face a similar dilemma with Perkins. In the game, he's asking for around 10-11m/yr over 4yrs. it's possible to sign him because of bird rights but what's worrisome is that i don't want Perk crippling the Celtics' cap space, and consequently the ability to sign a top-tier FA or two, come next year when KG and co retire. plus, having 10m wrapped up in him seems like a lot. so yeah... what would you guys do? lol

I had the same issue with Nate. No idea how he thought he became an All star in his head , even in the video game world, but he was wanting 9-11 mil per year. I signed him and traded him elsewhere for better players lol

[Jon]

None of this surprises me.  I think Danny is going to have to wait this out until the summer.  Like with BBD, Perk wants big money, the matter is whether he'll get it.  I do think, however, Perk will give the C's a chance to match/better any offer he gets. 

The question becomes how much the C's are willing to invest in a player who likely will never be a star.  To me it's not so much whether he has a place on the next generation Celtic team, but whether we can afford to pay him big bucks AND draw at least one more star here. 

Personally, I'd rather see them overpay him in the short term than give him a long term deal.  For instance, I'd rather a 3 year 36 million dollar deal than a 5 year 40 million dollar deal.  That way, he expires the same time that Pierce does in case Danny realizes that he can't rebuild effectively with Perk.  That also keeps things in place for us for next year. 

The good news of course, is that if he does leave, he won't be leaving to the Heat.  I can't believe anyone bought into that B.S. anyway, but if he isn't taking the aforementioned deal, there's no way he's taking a MLE deal from ANYONE (including the Heat). 

[thirstyboots18]

I don't think he will end up with the heat, either, Jon...but whoever he ends up with he will be hard to handle.  Just for the sake of argument, say he ends up with the Magic...and Dwight with the Celts...no one is more effective against Dwight than Perk.  I would rather have Perk on my team playing defense.  He is still young.  Centers are said to mature later. 

At the very least, he would be a terrifc trade chip. Other teams are already targeting him.   When someone plays with arguably three (or four) of the best (team) players in the world, it is easy to overlook his  contribution. Judging by the game against Dallas, his offense is coming around, too. 

I think it will take him a couple more weeks to round into 100% playing condition...(he is already a physical specimen...)

[Tough Juice]

I hope we can resign him, and I truly hope that if we can't resign him, he won't go to Miami. Perk is exactly what they need to be the team to beat in the next 5 years to come

[celtics2]

My take on it is if Perk gets too expensive crippling our chances to improve elsewhere in the market then let him go if he chooses so. The knee and shoulder problem may be a shadow over him. Next we won't need 2 non scorers starting if we include Rondo. Where's the points going to come from. Maybe the effectiveness of the Big 3 compromise Perk and Rondo's scoring ability. Guess this is why Ainge gets the big $$. He's one savvy dude and I'll leave it up to him.

[Tai]

It doesn't say much to call our center a "non-shooter". What you mean is he doesn't have many post moves or if nothing  else can't demand a double team, right? I dunno, I feel like his defense makes up for that. I mean, he COULD always improve his offense.

[BballTim]

Its weird but methinks that maybe..we're watching the departure of les perkins.

1) Because after KG, Ray and Paul leave...Perkins has no place on this roster. He complements the current cast well, but as a building piece, he's a role player. Its okay to overpay a role player if he is consistent and important, but without the supporting cast, Glen Davis is more important than Perkins, because no one else on the rooster can score a bucket.

2) 7.5 million is above the MLE. That means Perkins' own self imposed price tag is above the MLE.

  I wouldn't bank on Danny replacing all of PP/KG/RA with guys that can't score a bucket.

[mgent]

Think he would've accepted this at the beginning of the season?

[jambr380]

I still see a 4 year / 32 mill deal coming this offseason. It is more than the MLE, but is still cap friendly. A team like OKC is really our only problem. Up and coming teams with cap space and playing time should be more appealing than an aging Celtics squad. But, all things being equal, he will re-sign here.

[Jon]

The other appealing thing about playing for the Celtics is that Perk may see himself eventually getting a bigger role on offense as the Big Three age and retire.  Now I don't think that Danny sees it that way and I don't think that's actually a good idea; however, that may be the motivating factor for him to stay. 

OKC may have a bright future, but with the young talented nucleus, he's likely never going to see many shots.  And for better or worse, PPG does drive up value. 

[radiohead]

I honestly think that Perk is for us to lose. He has shown his loyalty the last time around (signing a very fair contract extension) which most of us here thought of as a "bargain". This time the C's may have to "overpay" him a bit in order to keep him. I don't think that Perk will go to the team that can pay him the most. But for the C's to retain him, they may have to give him something close to that amount (highest bidder). Perk has been a loyal soldier, and I think it's just right that the team rewards him for that, assuming of course that Danny looks at him as an integral part of the team as it moves towards the post big 3 era. Hopefully this pans out the same way the negotiations with PP and Ray went - with each player saying that leaving Boston was not really a scenario that they considered and that they just wanted a deal that was fair for both parties concerned.

[GreenEnvy]

This cannot be accurate.

First off, Perk would not turn that offer down. He won't get more than the MLE, so he is taking a definite paycut and gambling on the new CBA to go to a new environment? Doesn't add up.

Then there is the Celtics POV, which also doesn't make much sense either.


I wonder if DA is gonna hold out on multiple-year contracts for the summer of 2012. If we win the championship this season, I think he does.

[j804]

Centers like Perk arent out there often ride out this year if we do well and get 18, you lock up Perk