Alvin Gentry has "lost respect" for KG

[Kwhit10]

I really don't care what Gentry thinks or who he respects to be honest.

[Fafnir]

A little bit of dirty play is okay with me, so long as there's no intent to injure.  However, *if* KG was really intentionally sliding his foot under a jump shooter, then yes, that's classless, and would make me lose respect for KG, too. 

However, I'm not convinced he did it intentionally.  If he did, Doc needs to take him aside and tell him to knock it off.

This is my view of it. Crowded a shooter is good basketball, sliding under him is dirty. Its hard to do one without occasionally doing the other, we can't really know if it was deliberate.

KG is the same player he's always been, he's just no longer on a bad expansion franchise without any help. Just by being on TV more people see this stuff more often.

[CelticG1]

KG being a dirty player and a bully is completely overblown and false. Maybe if he's coming under a player shooting foot constantly if that is even true but other than that I don't see anything that makes KG more dirty than anyone else.

I think people are way too sensitive when it comes to this stuff. If he actually wound up and punched Frye in that spot than I would think that was dirty. Tapping him there like he did was just to get under his skin and mess with his head.

People need to understand that this type of gamemanship is going on around the country in high school, college, and professional sports every day

[Eja117]

There's a difference between a dirty player and a bully. One hacks you pretty hard or leans into you just a little during a pick even if he knows you can't see him.

The other does dangerous things.


KG is getting a rep as a bully.  If he has to learn things the hard way then so be it.

[thirstyboots18]

This is kind of "old news, who cares what he thinks news.

I am not a man, so it is up to you to answer this.  It seems to me that if the hit to his private areas had been as hard as they say, Fry could not have jumped up so quickly.  And about the foot...KG doesn't appear to be a stupid man.  He was on the bench half of last year with an injury.  Would he  risk injury to his foot or leg by intentionally placing it where a 200+ pound man could come down on it? 

[mmbaby]

Once there was this guy I was fencing. We were using sabers and they can be a little whippy.  So the guy hits me pretty much harder than I've ever been hit right on the arm where there is the least padding. The very next action it happens again. He's a good fencer. What are the odds of that happening accidentally two times in a row? I wait for an opening. I put my whole arm, back, and wrist into it and it whips all the way around his chest and back and he keels over. The next hit he hits my arm again very intentionally, but not as hard as the first two times.  There weren't any problems after that.

This whole "What did I do act" by KG is getting old. Sometimes players aren't trying to cause problems but they aren't trying to be careful either.  You will maintain a safety zone and use safe tactics near me or I guarantee I will not be safe with you.


Accidents are contagious. I can have them too.  It might be a blessing for KG if he gets ejected in these cases.

This is what concerns me too, Eja. One good turn deserves another, etc. If a player can't go out on the court and play basketball in an NBA game without having to worry about getting dirty fouled and/or permanently disabled, it is scary. If KG goes (big IF) out there and permanently hurts someone, payback is going to be a B.

[mmbaby]

And I'm talking strictly about the leg under the shooter (not the groin touch).

[LilRip]

i wipe my behind with what gentry thinks. and i saw the play. looked unintentional. plus, the poking at the midsection thing is something a lot of guys do. i think it was just unfortunate coincidence that it hit Frye in the groin area. but yeah, that play happens a lot. just not the getting-hit-in-the-groin part.

like, in the Kings game. did you guys see Casspi jump toward Pierce's leg, getting semi-tangled with him, as Pierce was coming down? (the nail-in-the-coffin play).

and besides, didn't KG get ejected because of complaining? Not because of the alleged dirty play.

[Eja117]

Once there was this guy I was fencing. We were using sabers and they can be a little whippy.  So the guy hits me pretty much harder than I've ever been hit right on the arm where there is the least padding. The very next action it happens again. He's a good fencer. What are the odds of that happening accidentally two times in a row? I wait for an opening. I put my whole arm, back, and wrist into it and it whips all the way around his chest and back and he keels over. The next hit he hits my arm again very intentionally, but not as hard as the first two times.  There weren't any problems after that.

This whole "What did I do act" by KG is getting old. Sometimes players aren't trying to cause problems but they aren't trying to be careful either.  You will maintain a safety zone and use safe tactics near me or I guarantee I will not be safe with you.


Accidents are contagious. I can have them too.  It might be a blessing for KG if he gets ejected in these cases.

This is what concerns me too, Eja. One good turn deserves another, etc. If a player can't go out on the court and play basketball in an NBA game without having to worry about getting dirty fouled and/or permanently disabled, it is scary. If KG goes (big IF) out there and permanently hurts someone, payback is going to be a B.

I think on some level we are fooling ourselves here. If KG "accidentally" or otherwise seriously hurts a player it will in no way whatsoever be the same as if Ray did it, or even PP.

There's a difference and it's probably time to recognize that.

And I have to say I disagree a bit with Fafnir.  I played hundreds of hours of ball and I don't think I ever did that or had it happen to me.  Lots of hacking. Oh yeah. But this?  Also you try to get a hand in the face. Not a foot under them.

Thirsty made some good logical points. I guess my only counter there is that it's not a logical game.

[Birdbrain]

i wipe my behind with what gentry thinks. and i saw the play. looked unintentional. plus, the poking at the midsection thing is something a lot of guys do. i think it was just unfortunate coincidence that it hit Frye in the groin area. but yeah, that play happens a lot. just not the getting-hit-in-the-groin part.

like, in the Kings game. did you guys see Casspi jump toward Pierce's leg, getting semi-tangled with him, as Pierce was coming down? (the nail-in-the-coffin play).

and besides, didn't KG get ejected because of complaining? Not because of the alleged dirty play.

I don't think he should have been ejected.  And I totally agree about what he was doing.  The little touch to the stomach which because Fry jumped ended up being in the groin.


And no some of us aren't as concerned what others think is probably more so the difference.  But people should believe whatever they think.  Neither take is logical or illogical just some peoples life experiences are different which changes their views on issues.  Especially if you ever played any real bball. 

[Eja117]

i wipe my behind with what gentry thinks. and i saw the play. looked unintentional. plus, the poking at the midsection thing is something a lot of guys do. i think it was just unfortunate coincidence that it hit Frye in the groin area. but yeah, that play happens a lot. just not the getting-hit-in-the-groin part.

like, in the Kings game. did you guys see Casspi jump toward Pierce's leg, getting semi-tangled with him, as Pierce was coming down? (the nail-in-the-coffin play).

and besides, didn't KG get ejected because of complaining? Not because of the alleged dirty play.

I don't think he should have been ejected.  And I totally agree about what he was doing.  The little touch to the stomach which because Fry jumped ended up being in the groin.


And no some of us aren't as concerned what others think is probably more so the difference.  But people should believe whatever they think.  Neither take is logical or illogical just some peoples life experiences are different which changes their views on issues.  Especially if you ever played any real bball. 

I'm more concerned with what the players think although the refs and coaches matter too. If some incident with KG happens the league will be less forgiving than if it were someone else.

[CelticG1]

There's a difference between a dirty player and a bully. One hacks you pretty hard or leans into you just a little during a pick even if he knows you can't see him.

The other does dangerous things.


KG is getting a rep as a bully.  If he has to learn things the hard way then so be it.

What did he get ejected for? Didn't he get ejected for gettting a second technical (the tap to the groin)? He didn't get suspended and he didn't get fined. If you can definitely say that he is sticking his foot out under jumpshooters on purpose than I understand but we just don't know.

When he has been kicked out I don't think anything he has done is that bad "bully" wise or "dirty". I see it more as stupid for putting his team in that position like the elbow last year in the Heat series. That was stupid on this part

[Eja117]

There's a difference between a dirty player and a bully. One hacks you pretty hard or leans into you just a little during a pick even if he knows you can't see him.

The other does dangerous things.


KG is getting a rep as a bully.  If he has to learn things the hard way then so be it.

What did he get ejected for? Didn't he get ejected for gettting a second technical (the tap to the groin)? He didn't get suspended and he didn't get fined. If you can definitely say that he is sticking his foot out under jumpshooters on purpose than I understand but we just don't know.

When he has been kicked out I don't think anything he has done is that bad "bully" wise or "dirty". I see it more as stupid for putting his team in that position like the elbow last year in the Heat series. That was stupid on this part

I agree. But it's not the one incident the one time.

It's like the judge that keeps seeing the same guy again and again and keeps getting off. At some point it's like "You either did this or you did something else we don't know about".

At some point I say to myself "Ok. Who do I believe? Innocent KG or about a hundred players? They aren't saying this stuff about Ray. They aren't saying it about Rondo. They aren't saying it about Pierce. They aren't even saying it much about Perk. Just KG. Hmmmm. What could be the problem here"?

It's not any one thing one time. It's an accumulated situation.

[jarufu]

There's a difference between a dirty player and a bully. One hacks you pretty hard or leans into you just a little during a pick even if he knows you can't see him.

The other does dangerous things.


KG is getting a rep as a bully.  If he has to learn things the hard way then so be it.

What did he get ejected for? Didn't he get ejected for gettting a second technical (the tap to the groin)? He didn't get suspended and he didn't get fined. If you can definitely say that he is sticking his foot out under jumpshooters on purpose than I understand but we just don't know.

When he has been kicked out I don't think anything he has done is that bad "bully" wise or "dirty". I see it more as stupid for putting his team in that position like the elbow last year in the Heat series. That was stupid on this part

I agree. But it's not the one incident the one time.

It's like the judge that keeps seeing the same guy again and again and keeps getting off. At some point it's like "You either did this or you did something else we don't know about".

At some point I say to myself "Ok. Who do I believe? Innocent KG or about a hundred players. They aren't saying this stuff about Ray. They aren't saying it about Rondo. They aren't saying it about Pierce. They aren't even saying it much about Perk. Just KG. Hmmmm. What could be the problem here".

It's not any one thing one time. It's an accumulated situation.

KG is a very antagonistic player.  Ray and Rondo don't come across as overtly caustic on the court .. KG uses it and walks a much thinner line.  It's a lot easier for him, therefore, to cross the line but I'd have to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case .. IMHO, I don't think what he did was premeditated ..

[footey]

Gentry would love KG and respect the heck out of him if he was playing for him.