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theory on corrupt refs
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:57:31 PM »

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How many of these old timers... terrible refs that been around for ever, probably have some sort of evidence, tape.. documents (or whatever) that proves Stern has ordered them to keep games close or give star treatment to money makers?

I'm looking forward to when these refs lose their jobs and that some of these things will be revealed to further support the mafia ref's claims about an extremely corrupt reffing system.

And when that day comes I am going to bump this thread!

Also, a ref with evidence might explain how some of these refs still even have jobs.

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 03:41:41 PM »

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Quote from: incoherent on January 30, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
How many of these old timers... terrible refs that been around for ever, probably have some sort of evidence, tape.. documents (or whatever) that proves Stern has ordered them to keep games close or give star treatment to money makers?

I'm looking forward to when these refs lose their jobs and that some of these things will be revealed to further support the mafia ref's claims about an extremely corrupt reffing system.

And when that day comes I am going to bump this thread!

Also, a ref with evidence might explain how some of these refs still even have jobs.



Right, and 9/11 was an inside job, and the US has never been to the moon... :/
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 03:54:31 PM »

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Plausible Theory, Tp
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 04:08:26 PM »

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Quote from: incoherent on January 30, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
How many of these old timers... terrible refs that been around for ever, probably have some sort of evidence, tape.. documents (or whatever) that proves Stern has ordered them to keep games close or give star treatment to money makers?

I'm looking forward to when these refs lose their jobs and that some of these things will be revealed to further support the mafia ref's claims about an extremely corrupt reffing system.

And when that day comes I am going to bump this thread!

Also, a ref with evidence might explain how some of these refs still even have jobs.


I've always believed that these officials are the most talented in the history of basketball.  I'm serious about that.  They're having to operate from so many different rulebooks on the fly.  A travel is a travel only when the messiah, Pierce, Nash, Bryant, Wade, O'Neal, or Howard doesn't have the ball.  The messiah will only get called for a travel or a foul when the game is completely out of hand.  One set of rules for the messiah, one set of rules for other superstars, and the real rulebook for everybody else.  Different rules for different stages of the game.

How the hell does anybody expect to have even a hint of consistency?

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »

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A review of how many key games Joey Crawford, Bennett Salvatore, Steve javie, and Dan Crawford have been involved in with WAY out of bell-curve ft numbers is pretty convincing circumstantial evidence...

Joey and Bennett were there in the '06 Finals game 5, where Wade shot 25 of the Heat's 49 fts in a 1-pt OT win (Heat were +24 fts in that one) - and then in the next game in dallas it was Dan Crawford and Steve Javie conducting a -14 ft margin in a 3-pt loss...
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 10:52:24 AM »

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I noticed on Sunday in the Miami game when Wade missed a layup... he yelled so loudly at the ref after not getting a call the people at home could hear him.  He then threw his arms in the air the whole time staring at the ref.

The announcers immediately were confused as to why he didn't get T-d up, and how he definitely deserved one.  

If any other player in that position did what Wade did it would be an automatic T.

EDIT: I'll note that Wade did get a T because he kept barking at the ref while running up the court.. the T did come, but way way way to late.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 10:52:58 AM »

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Even if these "orders" from Stern exist, you think he'd be dumb enough to put them in writing, or deliver them personally?  Guy's a good bit savvier than that.

The star calls/increased contact late in games tendencies are more an unwritten part of the refereeing culture than some kind of specific demand from the commissioner.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 10:54:22 AM »

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Quote from: fairweatherfan on February 01, 2011, 10:52:58 AM
Even if these "orders" from Stern exist, you think he'd be dumb enough to put them in writing, or deliver them personally?

The star calls/increased contact late in games tendencies are more an unwritten part of the refereeing culture than some kind of specific demand from the commissioner.

I think that over the last 20 years of Stern being commish that there is a good chance some sort of evidence does exists.. yeah.  Maybe not but thats the theory.

It's sort of hard to deny after hearing the corrupt refs statements.  Everything he said about reffing in no way makes him innocent, so there's no motive to lie about it.  He just decided that he was in a position to shed some light on the NBA reffing world because it's not like he was getting his job back.

Add that to him 100% predicting the outcome of all the playoff games last year... sort of adds credibility, even if a little bit.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 11:58:49 AM »

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There's no need to bring willful corruption into it.  It's the dysfunctional culture of NBA officiating that's the problem.

Mike
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2011, 12:23:23 PM »

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They are so incompetent that they seem corrupt. I understand missed/bad calls since they are only human. The biggest problem I notice is inconsistency. During the course of a game a foul for a team/player may or may not be a foul for another team/player. They still fall for floppers way to much though.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2011, 12:25:06 PM »

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Quote from: fairweatherfan on February 01, 2011, 10:52:58 AM
Even if these "orders" from Stern exist, you think he'd be dumb enough to put them in writing, or deliver them personally?  Guy's a good bit savvier than that.

The star calls/increased contact late in games tendencies are more an unwritten part of the refereeing culture than some kind of specific demand from the commissioner.
TP,i think its closer to what you say added with some of the older ones personal biases building over years for certain players,teams,coaches,owners and even fans of certain cities.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2011, 12:35:08 PM »

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Quote from: incoherent on January 30, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
How many of these old timers... terrible refs that been around for ever, probably have some sort of evidence, tape.. documents (or whatever) that proves Stern has ordered them to keep games close or give star treatment to money makers?

I'm looking forward to when these refs lose their jobs and that some of these things will be revealed to further support the mafia ref's claims about an extremely corrupt reffing system.

And when that day comes I am going to bump this thread!

Also, a ref with evidence might explain how some of these refs still even have jobs.



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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 01:15:21 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 01:42:08 PM »

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Quote from: nba is the worst on February 01, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
A review of how many key games Joey Crawford, Bennett Salvatore, Steve javie, and Dan Crawford have been involved in with WAY out of bell-curve ft numbers is pretty convincing circumstantial evidence...

Joey and Bennett were there in the '06 Finals game 5, where Wade shot 25 of the Heat's 49 fts in a 1-pt OT win (Heat were +24 fts in that one) - and then in the next game in dallas it was Dan Crawford and Steve Javie conducting a -14 ft margin in a 3-pt loss...

that's cherry picking though, you'd have to look at a huge body of work to make this claim, you named 2...

the game people tend to cite as the most corrupt of all time was Kings-Lakers game 6 - Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney, Ted Berdhardt, none of your "usual suspects" - see I just cherry picked one game to disprove your point

Read if you like:

http://www.82games.com/lakerskingsgame6.htm
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 01:59:17 PM »

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Quote from: MBunge on February 01, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
There's no need to bring willful corruption into it.  It's the dysfunctional culture of NBA officiating that's the problem.

Mike

Really? I didn't bring willful corruption into it.  The corrupt ref who changed the outcome of games to make the mafia money did.

The ref who spent time in jail for being caught. The same ref who had his knees broken in jail by the mafia because he 'spilled the beans'.

I didn't bring willful corruption into this, an actual NBA ref did.
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