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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2011, 04:48:29 PM »

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Well, I will say this: There were a few calls that went the Lakers way in the 4th quarter, and there is little doubt about that, even from me. At the same time, there were a lot of legitimate calls, that Cetlics fans complain about.

Also, if we're talking about referee's, then what about the "no calls" on Rasheed Wallace and Garnett in the beginning of the game? Clearly, the ref's let them get away with fouls that would otherwise take them out of the game.
where were these "no calls"??? I really do have to disagree with ppl on here who are too political about it.. "yea there were some bad calls but we had some too that evened out the series".... dont feed me that crap. the fakers got the benefit of royal treatment from the refs all 7 games. If we had one call our way they were given 3 there way to make it up... one stat that still looms in my head is that for the series LA shot 60 more ft's than us... thats not just the celtics being "over-agressive" as every laker fan i have met says we were... Also in game 7 they shot 21 ft's in the 4th to our 17 for the game... Kobe and gasol each almost shot more ft's than our whole team. This series has gone down as the worst officiated series in NBA history and thats coming from hall of famers not just celtics fans



This series almost made me give up on the nba. We were robbed, we couldn't so much as breath on those tools w/o getting tagged with a foul. ugh, I have tried forget about this excuse of a finals but then this just tee's me off again.

I think people forget the absoult crap game 2 was. Ray single handedly got us that w despite the bad reffing.


oh well, we wil make up for it this year, just hope LA manages to show up.



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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 04:54:17 PM »

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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2011, 05:08:10 PM »

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Well, I will say this: There were a few calls that went the Lakers way in the 4th quarter, and there is little doubt about that, even from me. At the same time, there were a lot of legitimate calls, that Cetlics fans complain about.

Also, if we're talking about referee's, then what about the "no calls" on Rasheed Wallace and Garnett in the beginning of the game? Clearly, the ref's let them get away with fouls that would otherwise take them out of the game.

Agreed.  Like I said, the only ridiculous no call was the up and down, the rest were judgment calls (that went in the Lakers' favor).

I thought the most glaring no call was when Pau fouled KG on that layup.

But I do think that celtics fans overplay that the refs "gave LA the game."  I don't think they intentionally screwed the refs.  My beef is that they started the game letting them play, then in the 4th quarter, they suddenly tightened it up.  If the calls are going to go one way or the other, it should come to nobody's surprise that they go the way of the home team.

Watching that video reinforces to me that I think the celtics have more guts and ability to straight up win games on the biggest stage against LA if the game doesn't come down to garbage free throws.
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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2011, 05:11:18 PM »

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Thanks for the video. Let me start off by saying that that Game 7 loss to those pansies was by far the worst loss I've ever had to deal with as a sports fan. I'm a Browns fan, and an Ohio State fan at the college level, so I've had my share of heartbreaking losses. I love sports, and I realize that every game has a winner and a loser. Some days my team will get outplayed, and that's just the way it goes. So when my team loses a huge game because they got outplayed, I am certainly disappointed, but I can get over it.

This loss to the Lakers was absolutely disgusting, and I don't know if I'll ever get over it. Heading into Game 7, I was completely convinced that we'd win - no doubt about it. Seeing KG, PP and RA huddled up and talking on the bench at the end of Game 6 made me that much more confident that nothing could stand in our way in Game 7.

IMO, we could literally win every game for the rest of the regular season, and sweep thru the first three rounds of the playoffs, and I still won't be happy. No - I want those punks again, and I want to destroy them. Until we win #18 (preferably over the Lakers), I won't get it out of my system.

David Stern is hands-down the most corrupt commissioner in sports, and the media doesn't even do anything about it. It's unfortunate that no one in the media has the cojones to call a spade a spade. Players and coaches try from time to time, but they're just handed out $25,000 fines on the spot. At some point, I think players/coaches just decide that they're making a lot of money under the current - albeit horribly corrupt - system, so they don't want to rock the boat.

I've played sports at the college and professional level, and I've never seen a game so clearly RIGGED as this one was. I'm not sure how someone could watch that 4th quarter and not be convinced that something dirty was going on. As soon as the buzzer sounded, I turned the TV off, and didn't watch ESPN for a week.

To be honest, many of our games against the Cavs in the last few years have been officiated even worse than this game was. But we were so much better than the Cavs that we were able to win anyway.

Technically, most of the fouls called on the Celtics were indeed fouls. But this is where the confusion stems. How come the Lakers weren't called for ANY of the same fouls? The Lakers clearly couldn't score on us legitimately, so David Stern had his puppets give the Lakers so many free throws that there was no way they could lose. And they still almost lost, because we were that much better than them.  

People always retort by saying that the refs didn't cost the Celtics the game, it was the inability to rebound. Sure, we didn't play a perfect game. If we'd made every single shot, and gotten every single rebound, it wouldn't have mattered what the refs did. But it was the NBA Finals, and we were playing a solid, runner-up level team. No one plays a perfect game. By the same token, the Lakers didn't play nearly well enough to win - they choked all night long, and couldn't hit a shot to save their lives (except the Fisher and Artest daggers). Their best rapist, I mean player had one of the worst playoff games of his career.  

I don't bring up my playing experience to brag, but just to show that I've heard the "refs can't cost you a game" myth my entire life (and don't think for a second that David Stern doesn't realize that the majority of sports fans will automatically use that myth as soon as anyone questions the officiating). The reason coaches and players say that is because you can't control what the refs do. Ideally, they'll be fair, and the better team will win. But because there's nothing the players and coaches can do about the refs, they focus their energy on things they CAN control. But when it comes down to it, the refs certainly CAN cost a team a game. In a game between two relatively evenly matched teams, the refs can easily make Team A have to out-play Team B by 15 points in order to win by 1. How is that fair? This is what David Stern has the refs do in certain situations on a regular basis, and the Celtics clearly fell victim to it.

And sure, there are always things here and there that Team A could have done to still win the game despite the biased officiating. But why did they have to do that? That's the point a lot of us are trying to make.

TP for the thread, and June can't come fast enough.

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2011, 05:23:52 PM »

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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2011, 05:24:31 PM »

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Couldn't finish the clip due to anger ..

Revenge!


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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 05:59:15 PM »

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Huh? That video, at least the first couple minutes, shows nothing about the refs screwing up any calls whatsoever.

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2011, 07:28:45 PM »

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Nice range of reactions from the c's fans.

For objective viewers, the Celtics were benefitted substantially by no-calls on obvious fouils in the 1st half (kobe knocked to the floor; Kobe in the corner hacked 3 times in succession by PP and Ray and then his shot hits the side of the backboard - and I agree the tightening of the calls in the 4th was clear - but the Celtics wouldn't or couldn't adjust.

The Gasol travel was hard to see without slow-motion replay but it was definitely a bad no-call.

 - but was was most obvious was the Lakers continuing to drive into the paint in the 4th while the C's took and missed jumper after jumper.

I sure hope this year's C's starters are fully healthy this time around - no other east team is even close to contending!

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2011, 07:45:56 PM »

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Nice range of reactions from the c's fans.

For objective viewers, the Celtics were benefitted substantially by no-calls on obvious fouils in the 1st half (kobe knocked to the floor; Kobe in the corner hacked 3 times in succession by PP and Ray and then his shot hits the side of the backboard - and I agree the tightening of the calls in the 4th was clear - but the Celtics wouldn't or couldn't adjust.

The Gasol travel was hard to see without slow-motion replay but it was definitely a bad no-call.

 - but was was most obvious was the Lakers continuing to drive into the paint in the 4th while the C's took and missed jumper after jumper.

I sure hope this year's C's starters are fully healthy this time around - no other east team is even close to contending!

Well said. If this video is the evidence of a stolen championship, I just don't see it. I love the celtics, but the lakers beat them because perk was out. Not because of stern or his supposed minions.
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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2011, 08:14:40 PM »

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Kobe in the corner hacked 3 times in succession by PP and Ray and then his shot hits the side of the backboard

That is a lie.  Listen to the commentators.  Good D by Ray forced him into the corner, Pierce came over to double team and Kobe threw up a prayer.  Not once was he hacked, and WHY would he be hacked?  It wasn't like tony allen was guarding him.

One more thing: Free throw attempts for games 5, 6 and 7: 26-13 Lakers favor; 19-10 Lakers favor; 37-17 Lakers favor

***THEY WENT TO THE LINE OVER TWICE AS MUCH AS WE DID IN THE LAST 3 GAMES OF THE SERIES***  At worst, the refs intentionally gave the Lakers the series; at best, the refs called normal, physical basketball games the entire season and then international/Olympic-style nonsense with the season on the line.  I can't even rationalize it, if NBA games are so hard to ref then it should be done by robots, end of story.

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2011, 08:15:37 PM »

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If Kendrick Perkins was healthy the Celtics would have had alot more to work with in Game 7. Just saying.

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2011, 08:17:48 PM »

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This is the first time I have even discussed game 7 with anyone.

I am a Yankee fan and this was worse for me than 2004. The Yankees deserved to lose that series probably more than the Sox deserved to win it. I was p---ed, but they deserved to lose, so I got over it even though my Sox fan friends have tried to let me not. But last years game seven was different.

I was an addicted boxing fan in the 70s and 80s. I especially followed Marven Hagler when he was fighting his way up in venues like the old Boston Arena when we had to fight rats (real rodents) for seats. I went to Philly and saw him get home-town decisioned by Willie the Worm Monroe and then saw his revenge here at the Hynes when he punished Monroe. He "lost" to Leonard (Hagler won the first two minutes of every round and Leonard won the last minute a good strategy by Leonard, but Hagler clearly won the fight, even though two of the judges gave the decision to Leonard and one by an absurdly large margin 118-110, I think, when the other judges had it 115-113, one for Leonard and one for Hagler) . Compare Leonard's face after the fight to Hagler's if you have any doubts about who won, or just watch the fight. The anger then emptiness that ensued turned me away from boxing for over two decades because of the corrupt nature of the sport and how judges can literally decide who wins or loses, and they did it to Hagler. The way he lost was similar to how the Cs loss, but the Cs loss was worse for me personally.

There are many similarities in the losses of Hagler to Leonard and the Cs last year. Hagler and the Cs were blue-collar workmen. They were battling the glamor and glitz of the Lakers and Leonard. Substance over flash. But the refs/judges stepped in and substance lost.

The Lakers loss was worse however to me. Not only because of the refs role in the outcome of game 7, but because there should never have been a game 7 in the first place. But for Artest's cheap shot knee into Ray's thigh, which, in effect took him out of the series and Kobe and Bynum's high/low tag team of Perk in game 6, we would have beaten them with or without the refs. Add to that the indignity of Jackson catching Red in titles and the Fakers being on the doorstep of catching us for titles and that makes this the most bitter pill I have had to swallow as a sports fan.

Faker's cheap shots and incompetent refs did us in. With any luck (even the year KG went down, if Powe stayed healthy, we would have had a shot)we could be going for a 4peat this year.....a 4peat!!!!! All those things make me feel that even if we beat those Fakers in the Finals every year for the next 20, that still wouldn't make up for last year. We were violated as a team and as a fandom. Were were thugged and mugged in front of the cops and we weren't protected or served. The only thing we can do is go Charles Bronson/Death Wish on the rest of the league in these coming playoffs. Take it completely out of the refs hands.

Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2011, 08:58:11 PM »

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This is the first time I have even discussed game 7 with anyone.

I am a Yankee fan and this was worse for me than 2004. The Yankees deserved to lose that series probably more than the Sox deserved to win it. I was p---ed, but they deserved to lose, so I got over it even though my Sox fan friends have tried to let me not. But last years game seven was different.

I was an addicted boxing fan in the 70s and 80s. I especially followed Marven Hagler when he was fighting his way up in venues like the old Boston Arena when we had to fight rats (real rodents) for seats. I went to Philly and saw him get home-town decisioned by Willie the Worm Monroe and then saw his revenge here at the Hynes when he punished Monroe. He "lost" to Leonard (Hagler won the first two minutes of every round and Leonard won the last minute a good strategy by Leonard, but Hagler clearly won the fight, even though two of the judges gave the decision to Leonard and one by an absurdly large margin 118-110, I think, when the other judges had it 115-113, one for Leonard and one for Hagler) . Compare Leonard's face after the fight to Hagler's if you have any doubts about who won, or just watch the fight. The anger then emptiness that ensued turned me away from boxing for over two decades because of the corrupt nature of the sport and how judges can literally decide who wins or loses, and they did it to Hagler. The way he lost was similar to how the Cs loss, but the Cs loss was worse for me personally.

There are many similarities in the losses of Hagler to Leonard and the Cs last year. Hagler and the Cs were blue-collar workmen. They were battling the glamor and glitz of the Lakers and Leonard. Substance over flash. But the refs/judges stepped in and substance lost.

The Lakers loss was worse however to me. Not only because of the refs role in the outcome of game 7, but because there should never have been a game 7 in the first place. But for Artest's cheap shot knee into Ray's thigh, which, in effect took him out of the series and Kobe and Bynum's high/low tag team of Perk in game 6, we would have beaten them with or without the refs. Add to that the indignity of Jackson catching Red in titles and the Fakers being on the doorstep of catching us for titles and that makes this the most bitter pill I have had to swallow as a sports fan.

Faker's cheap shots and incompetent refs did us in. With any luck (even the year KG went down, if Powe stayed healthy, we would have had a shot)we could be going for a 4peat this year.....a 4peat!!!!! All those things make me feel that even if we beat those Fakers in the Finals every year for the next 20, that still wouldn't make up for last year. We were violated as a team and as a fandom. Were were thugged and mugged in front of the cops and we weren't protected or served. The only thing we can do is go Charles Bronson/Death Wish on the rest of the league in these coming playoffs. Take it completely out of the refs hands.

TP for an AMAZING post.

I agree. If we had KG in 08-09 and if the refs didn't screw us in 09-10, we'd have three in a row.

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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2011, 09:00:47 PM »

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First time I've rewatched that much of it. Not as many egregious calls as I expected to see, but I few things I noticed: the "moving screen" call on KG that negated a Rondo layup, and the KG prayer they took away because the refs didn't give the continuation. That's 4 points, which is how much the C's lost by. Then there was the infamous noncall on the Gasol up-and-down, which cost Boston 2 more points. That's the win right there.

I especially felt bad for Sheed while rewatching this, because he played his heart out by came out on the wrong end of things.
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Re: Referees Decided 2010 NBA Finals (VIDEO)
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2011, 10:12:16 PM »

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Refs let us play for the most part. We just could not get it done. The Lakers hit the big shots, and killed us on the boards.