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Someone explain to me JO
« on: January 20, 2011, 05:26:07 PM »

Offline mgent

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Didn't he already take a lengthy vacation this season?  What's another month of rehab gonna do?  Will he come back for 10 games again and then sit back down on the bench?
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Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 05:27:28 PM »

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Why does it matter if he gets surgery he's out for the season.  Might as well see if he can get some rest and help out while playing in pain during the playoffs.  4 weeks is 10 games?
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Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 05:32:50 PM »

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If i were JO and the Cs

I rest 3 weeks
or until the ASB

after that one I start playing 1 game and resting 2 till the season is over, or play 10 mpg 2 games and rest one.
Then when playoffs come I play all home games. and ultra tape my knee with one bionic device.

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Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 06:16:08 PM »

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Ainge said he would've been out for about 8 weeks, that's not even close to out for the season.  If surgery would've helped I would've been all for him taking 2 months off and coming back healthy.  There's no extreme need for JO anyway once Perk comes back.

Considering he didn't take the surgery I don't think it was the better option (guessing here because I don't have the same information about "cleaning out" a knee as the Celtics and JO do).  This leads me to believe that nothing can really help JO and his career might be nearing an end.

If he can't play through the pain right now like he couldn't at the beginning of the season, I don't have much hope that he'll be able to after a month of glute conditioning.
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Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 06:38:12 PM »

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Completely predictable.."Injured" most of this season..(Except I thought we might get 40-45 games this season. 

He'll make a miraculous recovery in his contract year next year.  70 games next season.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 06:40:45 PM »

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my explanation of JO.....


danny dropped the ball bc he never should have signed him bc he sucks, is washed up, and injury prone.

Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 06:41:54 PM »

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Completely predictable.."Injured" most of this season..(Except I thought we might get 40-45 games this season. 

He'll make a miraculous recovery in his contract year next year.  70 games next season.

JO has bone-on-bone in his knee, causing it to repeatedly swell.  I don't understand the skepticism about the "injury".

If JO plays 70 games next season, after the surgery he'll be getting in the off-season, good for him.  It's very likely, though, that he'll be playing those 70 games in pain.


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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 07:04:41 PM »

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Completely predictable.."Injured" most of this season..(Except I thought we might get 40-45 games this season. 

He'll make a miraculous recovery in his contract year next year.  70 games next season.

JO has bone-on-bone in his knee, causing it to repeatedly swell.  I don't understand the skepticism about the "injury".

If JO plays 70 games next season, after the surgery he'll be getting in the off-season, good for him.  It's very likely, though, that he'll be playing those 70 games in pain.
If it is bone on bone the only actual thing to help will be knee replacement surgery.  This isn't an option for a pro athlete.  Sounds like he's going to play w/ pain for us this year and try and help then probably retire.  If he does happen to play next year hopefully we can get some pt out of him.  How did he pass the physical if his knee was so bad?  The bone on bone didn't just happen.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 07:30:11 PM »

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  How did he pass the physical if his knee was so bad?  The bone on bone didn't just happen.

Exactly (TP).  Danny boofed this one.  Simply no other way to look at it.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 07:34:48 PM »

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Completely predictable.."Injured" most of this season..(Except I thought we might get 40-45 games this season. 

He'll make a miraculous recovery in his contract year next year.  70 games next season.

JO has bone-on-bone in his knee, causing it to repeatedly swell.  I don't understand the skepticism about the "injury".

If JO plays 70 games next season, after the surgery he'll be getting in the off-season, good for him.  It's very likely, though, that he'll be playing those 70 games in pain.

Pain or not, he's got to earn his money so he better be able to produce on the court for us when it counts. From Danny's comments, it sounds like JO showed up a bit out of shape for training camp which caused him to have more problems with his knee than he should have.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 07:46:52 PM »

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Completely predictable.."Injured" most of this season..(Except I thought we might get 40-45 games this season. 

He'll make a miraculous recovery in his contract year next year.  70 games next season.

JO has bone-on-bone in his knee, causing it to repeatedly swell.  I don't understand the skepticism about the "injury".

If JO plays 70 games next season, after the surgery he'll be getting in the off-season, good for him.  It's very likely, though, that he'll be playing those 70 games in pain.

Pain or not, he's got to earn his money so he better be able to produce on the court for us when it counts. From Danny's comments, it sounds like JO showed up a bit out of shape for training camp which caused him to have more problems with his knee than he should have.

That's easier said than done, isn't it?  I mean, "earning his money" is pretty hard to do when his body won't comply.  Compare KG last year to this year, or Tony Allen when he was coming back from injury, or pretty much anybody else.  They're just not going to be the same player.

As for not being in shape, here's what Danny said:

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“I think when you’re out with a bad knee, it’s tough to condition basketball wise,” Ainge said. “I mean, he was on the treadmill, the non-weight bearing treadmill, the swimming pool, a lot of things like that.

In other words, JO wasn't sitting around eating twinkies.  He was working, but it's pretty hard to get into NBA shape when your body is broken down.  Also, people have these grand ideas regarding the rehab plan JO should have been following, but where was the Celtics training / medical staff during this time?  Why is it JO that has to come up with a strengthening regimen, rather than having the plan come from the team?  Recently, our track record with guys coming back from injuries -- Big Al, Pierce, Delonte, Wally, possibly KG, etc., etc. -- has been less than stellar, so I wouldn't be so quick to put the sole blame on JO.


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Re: Someone explain to me JO
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 10:25:03 PM »

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If it is bone on bone the only actual thing to help will be knee replacement surgery.  This isn't an option for a pro athlete.  Sounds like he's going to play w/ pain for us this year and try and help then probably retire.  If he does happen to play next year hopefully we can get some pt out of him.  How did he pass the physical if his knee was so bad?  The bone on bone didn't just happen.

Bone on bone doesn't mean he can't play.  To some degree it's about how much the player can tolerate pain, although he has no control over swelling.  There are many players who have bone-on-bone conditions.  Kobe Bryant's knee is almost there.  Brandon Roy's career isn't over.  Chris Paul has partial bone on bone after his meniscus was removed.  Amare Stoudemire had microfracture surgery because his knee was bone on bone.  Erick Dampier is reported to have similar knee problems.
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If it is bone on bone the only actual thing to help will be knee replacement surgery.  This isn't an option for a pro athlete.  Sounds like he's going to play w/ pain for us this year and try and help then probably retire.  If he does happen to play next year hopefully we can get some pt out of him.  How did he pass the physical if his knee was so bad?  The bone on bone didn't just happen.

Bone on bone doesn't mean he can't play.  To some degree it's about how much the player can tolerate pain, although he has no control over swelling.  There are many players who have bone-on-bone conditions.  Kobe Bryant's knee is almost there.  Brandon Roy's career isn't over.  Chris Paul has partial bone on bone after his meniscus was removed.  Amare Stoudemire had microfracture surgery because his knee was bone on bone.  Erick Dampier is reported to have similar knee problems.


Good call. Its not just JO, but it does depend on the player, and swelling is something you can't always play through.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 10:41:56 PM »

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I really don't like the term "bone on bone"... it's like the sound of nails on a chalkboard.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 10:54:13 PM »

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I really don't like the term "bone on bone"... it's like the sound of nails on a chalkboard.

But it accurately describes what's going on.  There's no cartilage, no cushion, no lubrication.  The bones in the joint are rubbing against each other.

Do you want some cutesy shortened name for it.  What if we call it a bo-bo condition?
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