Has Rondo Ever Sought Out Ray Allen To Help Him With His J?

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I was watching a clip from future episode of The Association (I think part2), Where Ray Allen discussing how little the younger players gravitate towards the older players. That they don't seek out the assistance of the older player. In this case he is referring to his expertise with The Jump Shot. Ray says he "Welcomes anyone who wants to get better to come out and shoot with him "IF THEY ASK".

I don't want to read to much into it. But I'm sensing a hint that Rajon Rondo is one of those young stubborn players Ray is talking about. If my memory serves me well, Rajon Rondo outsourced his Coaching (Mark Price). Wouldn't you go to Ray Allen 1st (The Greatest Shooter of Alltime) If anyone can help improve your J, Ray Allen is the best ever. 4 years they have been teammates. Anyways here the clip:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/01/18/20110118_specials_ray_allen_cabride.nba

[buellj814]

its been told and reported that in his first years after the Big 3 came together... Rondo sought out Ray for guidance and that he has always been close with Ray

[clover]

I don't know, but I was amused by Rondo giving Baby advice through the press on practicing his jumper.

[BballTim]

  I think that Ray Allen should seek out Rondo to help him with his ballhandling and passing skills as well as how to run the break. Maybe Ray's too stubborn though.

[JerseyKid.]

I think Rondo needs more confidence than he does advice about his jumper. His jumper looks great, and most of the time he does make them they are a swish.

[screwedupmaniac]

You can't say that over the past four years his shot hasn't improved. The mid range jumper has been a welcome addition to his game, and I've seen him hit it in multiple clutch situations this year. I think the way Rondo sees it though, he doesn't really need to be shooting all sorts of jumpshots. Why try to be one of the main scoring options when you are a phenomenal passer and are surrounded by some of the best scorers in the game? I guarantee you will see the scoring version of Rajon Rondo after the Big 3 retire, because he's capable of it if he has to.

[Fan from VT]

I think fans greatly overestimate how good of a teacher great players are.

[Celtics18]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

[PosImpos]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

He also only takes them when he absolutely has to; if he took anywhere near as many shots from there as Arroyo does, his percentage would be much lower.  Rondo is a far cry from making that jumpshot a part of his offense on which he can rely.

I'm not sure Ray can really give Rondo too much help with Rondo's jumper, because Rondo is very different physically than Ray.  Rondo simply can't use the same form or style as Ray, just as Ray can't palm the ball and do dribble moves the way that Rondo can because his hands aren't that huge and his arms aren't that long in proportion to his body.

[BballTim]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

He also only takes them when he absolutely has to; if he took anywhere near as many shots from there as Arroyo does, his percentage would be much lower.  Rondo is a far cry from making that jumpshot a part of his offense on which he can rely.

  Arroyo takes 3.2 a game from that range, Rondo takes 2.9. Arroyo plays fewer minutes but still Rondo's close to the middle of the pack for point guards in terms of shots per game from that range.

[Celtics18]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

He also only takes them when he absolutely has to; if he took anywhere near as many shots from there as Arroyo does, his percentage would be much lower.  Rondo is a far cry from making that jumpshot a part of his offense on which he can rely.

  Arroyo takes 3.2 a game from that range, Rondo takes 2.9. Arroyo plays fewer minutes but still Rondo's close to the middle of the pack for point guards in terms of shots per game from that range.

Thanks.

[keepthefaith]

you know how ray always practices his shooting motion and follow-through a couple times before shooting his free throws? ive noticed a couple of other celts do that before their throws sometimes, rondo for one.

[CrossCL]

honestly the only other thing I think Rondo could learn from Ray is staying balanced while taking a jumper or a freethrow. If you watch rondo shoot freethrows, sometimes he takes them flatfooted or his center of gravity shifts while taking the shot. Now if you look at ray, he extends onto his toes and stays perfectly in balance. Other than that one little issue I think the only thing that Rondo needs to do is just keep shooting. His form looks fine to me

[PosImpos]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

He also only takes them when he absolutely has to; if he took anywhere near as many shots from there as Arroyo does, his percentage would be much lower.  Rondo is a far cry from making that jumpshot a part of his offense on which he can rely.

  Arroyo takes 3.2 a game from that range, Rondo takes 2.9. Arroyo plays fewer minutes but still Rondo's close to the middle of the pack for point guards in terms of shots per game from that range.

Interesting.  But given how much time each game Rondo spends handling the ball, he doesn't take very many jumpshots.  Most point guards who spend almost the entire game handling the ball for their team (Nash, Felton, Paul, D. Williams, Rose, Westbrook etc) take many more jumpshots than Rondo does.

Arroyo, on the other hand, spends most of his time off the ball and usually catches and shoots when he does get the ball.  So while Arroyo may not have many more attempts per game than Rondo, the percentage of his touches that result in him taking a jumpshot are much higher.

[BballTim]

I don't know how reliable these numbers are, but according to Hoops Data, Rondo is shooting 47% from 16-23 feet this season.  Only Carlos Arroyo has a better percentage among point guards playing more than 20 minutes a game.

Wow!

He also only takes them when he absolutely has to; if he took anywhere near as many shots from there as Arroyo does, his percentage would be much lower.  Rondo is a far cry from making that jumpshot a part of his offense on which he can rely.

  Arroyo takes 3.2 a game from that range, Rondo takes 2.9. Arroyo plays fewer minutes but still Rondo's close to the middle of the pack for point guards in terms of shots per game from that range.

Interesting.  But given how much time each game Rondo spends handling the ball, he doesn't take very many jumpshots.  Most point guards who spend almost the entire game handling the ball for their team (Nash, Felton, Paul, D. Williams, Rose, Westbrook etc) take many more jumpshots than Rondo does.

Arroyo, on the other hand, spends most of his time off the ball and usually catches and shoots when he does get the ball.  So while Arroyo may not have many more attempts per game than Rondo, the percentage of his touches that result in him taking a jumpshot are much higher.

  Sure, those guys take more outside shots than Rondo, but the things that Rondo does aside from taking outside shots (driving and passing) are more efficient ways to score than any of those players shooting from the outside. But it's not really the case that he only shoots from the outside when he has to. And I don't see why his percentage would nosedive if he took a few more outside shots a game even though there's nothing to be gained by such shots.