KG's injury hurt BBD more?

[The DarkPassenger]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out? 

[GreenEnvy]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

[Finkelskyhook]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

Well, I sure hope Davis thinks he's better than the last time Garnett got hurt because he's infinitely better than he was last season and the season before that.  He's capable of doing more in Garnett's absense than he could do then and I don't see Rivers lacking confidence and pulling him.

If somebody's definition of being "exposed" is that he can't replace Garnett....Well he shouldn't feel too bad.  There's only 2-3 guys in the NBA who could.  Particularly defensively.

Is he shooting too much?  Probably.  I'm more concerned about his rebounding.

[manl_lui]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

i agree, its not so much that BBD sucks and now hes exposed...BBD in my opinion plays better attacking the basket and doing post moves...whereas his jump shot game is just bad...

he fell in love with his jump shot too much that hes doing more shots than attacking, that im getting annoyed about, we see that in games where if he attacks the basket, he puts up better numbers, goes to the FT line more, better FG%

[Greenbean]

I just think people realized he was a threath offensively and focused on taking his midrange game away.

What Glen failed to realize is that if teams are taking away his midrange game, he needs to find other ways to affect the game BESIDES post up hero ball and long range jump shots.

He just does not have that in his game.

This will not be different when he returns to the 2nd unit.

[Greenbean]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

i agree, its not so much that BBD sucks and now hes exposed...BBD in my opinion plays better attacking the basket and doing post moves...whereas his jump shot game is just bad...

he fell in love with his jump shot too much that hes doing more shots than attacking, that im getting annoyed about, we see that in games where if he attacks the basket, he puts up better numbers, goes to the FT line more, better FG%

I could not disagree more about your assesment of BBD's game. He is a matchup post player. If he has a size advantage he should post. Other than that, he does not have a post game, or an attack the rim game. Why do you think the only post move he has developed is the fade away?

His game is mid range jumpers and offensive boards. Think Udonis Haslem. He can be VERY valuable in this role as soon as he masters it and never tries to break free from it. I have never seen Haslem take a shot out of his comfort range yet I see BBD doing it regularly now.

[Spilling Green Dye]

KG's injury hurt the fans more.. we have to watch Glen Davis start on an otherwise championship caliber team.

[nba is the worst]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

i agree, its not so much that BBD sucks and now hes exposed...BBD in my opinion plays better attacking the basket and doing post moves...whereas his jump shot game is just bad...

he fell in love with his jump shot too much that hes doing more shots than attacking, that im getting annoyed about, we see that in games where if he attacks the basket, he puts up better numbers, goes to the FT line more, better FG%

I could not disagree more about your assesment of BBD's game. He is a matchup post player. If he has a size advantage he should post. Other than that, he does not have a post game, or an attack the rim game. Why do you think the only post move he has developed is the fade away?

His game is mid range jumpers and offensive boards. Think Udonis Haslem. He can be VERY valuable in this role as soon as he masters it and never tries to break free from it. I have never seen Haslem take a shot out of his comfort range yet I see BBD doing it regularly now.

You are 100% correct.

Every time I see Davis calling for the ball wide open at the top of the key I cringe.  He shoots it every time, makes about 5% - but in his mind, it was a good shot because he was open...

Try moving the ball to Ray and PP in that situation, Glen!

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Well, I think it surely ended the debate on whether BBD is an NBA starter-level talent on a good-to-great team.  [The answer is no]

But there is a corollary to this....

When Red Auerbach "invented" the "6th starter" role, it meant taking a starter-level talent player and bring them off the bench to ensure 48 minutes of attack basketball.  Then some other, less-talented player starts, but they're deficiencies are covered by the abilities of the other 4 actual starters.  That was one of the genius things Red came up with.  Nowadays, Jason Terry (and Ginobli in recent seasons) would be great examples of starter-caliber players coming off the bench.

So...If BBD is not a starter, then he's not a "6th starter", either.  A good rotation player, yes.  "6th starter", no.  He is definitely and clearly a bench player.

So, to the OP, yes, KG's absence hurt BBD, who might have been able to convince some GM this summer that he's worth more than he is.  I'd say this past couple of weeks may have cost him millions of dollars (that he probably wouldn't have deserved either way).

Edited to remove gender bias.

[clover]

Well, I think it surely ended the debate on whether BBD is an NBA starter-level talent on a good-to-great team.  [The answer is no]

But there is a corollary to this....

When Red Auerbach "invented" the 6th man role, it meant taking a starter-level talent player and bring them off the bench to ensure 48 minutes of attack basketball.  Then some other, less-talented player starts, but they're deficiencies are covered by the abilities of the other 4 starters.  That was one of the genius things Red came up with.  Nowadays, Jason Terry (and Ginobli in recent seasons) would be great examples of starter-caliber players coming off the bench.

So...If BBD is not a starter, then he's not a 6th man, either.  A good rotation player, yes.  6th man, no.  He is definitely and clearly a bench player.

So, to the OP, yes, KG's absence hurt BBD, who might have been able to convince some GM this summer that he's worth more than he is.  I'd say this past couple of weeks may have cost him millions of dollars (that he probably wouldn't have deserved either way).

I've got to agree with you here.  Baby is valuable, but he's not a '6th player'.  (Of course there has to be more of a 6th player somewhere in the league to beat him out.)

[NoraG1]

When KG went down during the Pistons I think Celtics fans everywhere said the same thing and that was "oh crap"... well maybe not crap but you get the idea. Who knew that the injury to KG would hurt Glen Davis more then Garnett.

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds. Some argue that the shots he took were shots that he were told to take but I don't see that. He was taking shots that KG would have taken but KG is more reliable for shots and rebounds.

Now I understand that with JO's issues that you can't cut down BBD minutes by much but why not try to put in Harangody? I have never been a fan of Davis honestly and every time he puts up a shot I hold my breath. At the most I think Davis is better at 30 minutes maximum and dividing the rest of the minutes between Luke, Semih and others. At least when Luke shoots it I think it has a better chance of going in.

So what you do guys think? Did Glen's game get exposed with KG out?  

Bib Baby's ego hurt his game more than anyone else ever could.

He filled in for KG before, for multiple stretches. Only now he thinks he is a star or something and trying to do things beyond his talent.

i agree, its not so much that BBD sucks and now hes exposed...BBD in my opinion plays better attacking the basket and doing post moves...whereas his jump shot game is just bad...

he fell in love with his jump shot too much that hes doing more shots than attacking, that im getting annoyed about, we see that in games where if he attacks the basket, he puts up better numbers, goes to the FT line more, better FG%

I could not disagree more about your assesment of BBD's game. He is a matchup post player. If he has a size advantage he should post. Other than that, he does not have a post game, or an attack the rim game. Why do you think the only post move he has developed is the fade away?

His game is mid range jumpers and offensive boards. Think Udonis Haslem. He can be VERY valuable in this role as soon as he masters it and never tries to break free from it. I have never seen Haslem take a shot out of his comfort range yet I see BBD doing it regularly now.

You are 100% correct.

Every time I see Davis calling for the ball wide open at the top of the key I cringe.  He shoots it every time, makes about 5% - but in his mind, it was a good shot because he was open...

Try moving the ball to Ray and PP in that situation, Glen!

Exactly. He does not realize that the opposing team is giving him that shot because he does not shoot at a high percentage there.

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Well, I think it surely ended the debate on whether BBD is an NBA starter-level talent on a good-to-great team.  [The answer is no]

But there is a corollary to this....

When Red Auerbach "invented" the 6th man role, it meant taking a starter-level talent player and bring them off the bench to ensure 48 minutes of attack basketball.  Then some other, less-talented player starts, but they're deficiencies are covered by the abilities of the other 4 starters.  That was one of the genius things Red came up with.  Nowadays, Jason Terry (and Ginobli in recent seasons) would be great examples of starter-caliber players coming off the bench.

So...If BBD is not a starter, then he's not a 6th man, either.  A good rotation player, yes.  6th man, no.  He is definitely and clearly a bench player.

So, to the OP, yes, KG's absence hurt BBD, who might have been able to convince some GM this summer that he's worth more than he is.  I'd say this past couple of weeks may have cost him millions of dollars (that he probably wouldn't have deserved either way).

I've got to agree with you here.  Baby is valuable, but he's not a '6th player'.  (Of course there has to be more of a 6th player somewhere in the league to beat him out.)

Thanks for correcting the archaic language I initially used.  I modified my previous post.

There seems to be a mistaken assumption that each team as a legit 6th starter, which is not so.  The best bench player does not automaticaly become 6th-starter material.  BBD has played well of the bench, but there is a reason Doc plays Ray or Paul with the 2nd unit:  No 6th starter!

[pearljammer10]

Yeah I agree with this completely. Baby is not capable of being a number one or two option on any team in the league, yet, while KG has been out he has been playing like he thinks he should be one. Not only is it the amount of shots, which he has led the team in shots 4 or 5 times, its just the poor selection of shots; Way out of his comfort zone, too deep, too much dribble in the post and throwing up in effective fade aways.

I feel like Davis should never be playing one on one offense, he should get passes off cuts, rolls to the basket, and offensive rebounds... Instead, all he has done the past two weeks is play one on one offense and take everyone else out of the game.

[LooseCannon]

Davis' game got exposed when KG was out and he exposed that he might not get much better than he is now and that with more minutes he is more focused on shots then rebounds.

There are those who said this about BBD before KG was injured.

[Assassin70]

I just think people realized he was a threath offensively and focused on taking his midrange game away.

What Glen failed to realize is that if teams are taking away his midrange game, he needs to find other ways to affect the game BESIDES post up hero ball and long range jump shots.

He just does not have that in his game.

This will not be different when he returns to the 2nd unit.

/co sign and TP