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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2011, 09:34:18 PM »

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I agree with you about stats.

Yet can we agree shooting and defense requires "legs"?

He was out of gas and didn't shoot well. Nor did he "defended really well." He fouled out because he was a step slow and was grabbing instead of moving his feet. Not getting to the line tells you about his lack of aggressiveness to the basket and on the box. Then when you compare the Laker's performance, and yes stats, by those he had to match up with, it just didn't cut it for me.



so are you completely dismissing the fact that he was playing with an injured back??  When the muscles in your back are stiff, and especially if there is an injury, it really can hinder your movement.  possibly making you more prone to grab in certain situations.

im not trying to sound like a Sheed apologist bc half way through the season last year, I wanted him gone, but it's just my opinion that he really tried to step up in game 7 and I think he played well and with a lot of heart.

Had Perk played in this game, and we won banner 18 (which I think we would have), if sheed would have come in and put up 11 and 8 off the bench, would you still be here making these complaints??  If you would be, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2011, 09:36:47 PM »

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I guess your memory is cloudy, but Sheed played pretty well in that game and had 10 rebounds.  Doc couldn't play him more because he had a back problem.  That's why you didn't get more from him.  It was the Big 3 that let the team down.  Pierce and Ray didn't shoot well and KG had only 3 rebounds.

Edit: this is in response to blceltsfan above.  Forgot to use the quotes.

I posted his stats for game 7 (sorry the collumns are a little off. see my post above) he had 8 rebounds not 10. he was 6/15 from the floor, again didn't get to the foul line once. Fouled out. Lakers Bynum was hurt and played a subpar 18 min but Gasol went off for 19pts and 18rbs and to the line for 7-13.


I'd take my chances with who we have who have worked hard and been here.

Not that it will change your opinion much, but he was 5-for-11 from the field overall.  Three pointers are included in FGAs (unlike in Europe, where they're counted separately statistically.)

I was pretty happy with Rasheed's 11/8 in that game.  Also, you can't discount his defense; Gasol, Bynum, and Odom shot a combined 10-for-29 in that game.

Sigh...  Looking back in that game, it's amazing that we lost.  Derek Fisher was the only Laker to shoot above 39% in Game 7.  It all came down to rebounding, and if anything, that solidifies the point that we need as many big men as possible.


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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2011, 09:38:00 PM »

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HEs or at least he was a proffesional athlete I am sure he run his mile everyday
and they told me once that maximun time to be on full shape is like 2 month tops for that kind of normal people
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2011, 10:14:45 PM »

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HEs or at least he was a proffesional athlete I am sure he run his mile everyday
and they told me once that maximun time to be on full shape is like 2 month tops for that kind of normal people
That is assuming the work is put in, and judging by last year, I am not sure it would be.  After an athlete gets into shape he still has to develop the stamina to be in "game" shape.  That is where the back problems pop up....like Delonte had after his time off, and since I don't know what kind of back problems Sheed suffered from, that could be recurring.  I would love to agree with you Edgar, and maybe I am just trying to dodge shadows...skittish of something that isn't there...
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2011, 10:20:08 PM »

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HEs or at least he was a proffesional athlete I am sure he run his mile everyday
and they told me once that maximun time to be on full shape is like 2 month tops for that kind of normal people
That is assuming the work is put in, and judging by last year, I am not sure it would be.  After an athlete gets into shape he still has to develop the stamina to be in "game" shape.  That is where the back problems pop up....like Delonte had after his time off, and since I don't know what kind of back problems Sheed suffered from, that could be recurring.  I would love to agree with you Edgar, and maybe I am just trying to dodge shadows...skittish of something that isn't there...

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I know, but sheed is the type of guy that exudes stamina before sweat or at least desire.
Sometimes "mas vale maña que fuerza" its better skillz than strenght or something like that
or "mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo"
The devil knows more because hes old not because hes devil
So I rather go experienced IF the experienced still have legs

Its a nice time of the year to put pressure on sheed and see if he still really wants it dont you think


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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2011, 10:56:16 PM »

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If we cut Erden or even Bradley loose, I think it give us fewer options for changing from a big three based team in the future.  Danny did great things with the potential of young players to bring KG  and Ray to Boston.  By stockpiling injury prone players in their thirties, we are not gathering any future assets.  Shaq and JO have been rented short term and at low cost, so I am not sure they could even be valuable as expiring contracts.  I am greedy.  I want it all.  I want  a title this year, but I want some chips left in the basket for the change over to Rondo's future team.  I still think JO will be very valuable in the Sheed role during the playoffs.  He is proving, even now, that he is a good shotblocker and has instincts under the basket...and I believe his shooting will come back.  With Perk back, I think the reduced minutes for Shaq and JO will help greatly.  And, I believe, we still have options on them for next (probably shortened) year.
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2011, 11:03:07 PM »

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If we cut Erden or even Bradley loose, I think it give us fewer options for changing from a big three based team in the future.  Danny did great things with the potential of young players to bring KG  and Ray to Boston.  By stockpiling injury prone players in their thirties, we are not gathering any future assets.  Shaq and JO have been rented short term and at low cost, so I am not sure they could even be valuable as expiring contracts.  I am greedy.  I want it all.  I want  a title this year, but I want some chips left in the basket for the change over to Rondo's future team.  I still think JO will be very valuable in the Sheed role during the playoffs.  He is proving, even now, that he is a good shotblocker and has instincts under the basket...and I believe his shooting will come back.  With Perk back, I think the reduced minutes for Shaq and JO will help greatly.  And, I believe, we still have options on them for next (probably shortened) year.

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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2011, 11:09:10 PM »

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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2011, 11:13:07 PM »

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If we cut Erden or even Bradley loose, I think it give us fewer options for changing from a big three based team in the future.  Danny did great things with the potential of young players to bring KG  and Ray to Boston.

Avery Bradley or Semih Erden though aren't the prospects that will put us over the edge. Well probably not.

I'll say it is way too early to give up on Bradley, or even Erden probably, but what makes more sense, to gamble with 2 prospects of unknown ability, or to take a sure thing that provides a real need, in bench big man defense?

Personally if people knew Sheed wanted back (which I assume they did, if he indeed does..these guys talk), I wish they would've had Semih have the shoulder surgery that will sideline him for a year and seek the injury exception that would free up the roster spot.

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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2011, 11:17:55 PM »

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I'm working on this.  I got Jon Stewart on the phone and we're trying to organize a march to restore sanity to the Celtics front office - no really Danny - fool me twice shame on me event.  


Wow.  


Wow


Wow. Jon Stewart is a prick on the phone.  

Wow. Still a prick.

Ok. I hung up and I got that dude who nobody remembers his name on the phone....Louis Farrakhan.  

Oh good. We got his personal counters so all I really need is 20,000 peeps and they say they'll round up.  

We got BET to cover the event.


ITS ON!

Oh. Jon Stewart just called back.....telling him he's irrelevant now and has been for years.  He's saying "yeah I know, but can I please be on the march."   I'm telling him no.


We're all set to go.

Be there on Feb 1 at noon.


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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2011, 11:21:14 PM »

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If we cut Erden or even Bradley loose, I think it give us fewer options for changing from a big three based team in the future.  Danny did great things with the potential of young players to bring KG  and Ray to Boston.

Avery Bradley or Semih Erden though aren't the prospects that will put us over the edge. Well probably not.

I'll say it is way too early to give up on Bradley, or even Erden probably, but what makes more sense, to gamble with 2 prospects of unknown ability, or to take a sure thing that provides a real need, in bench big man defense?

Personally if people knew Sheed wanted back (which I assume they did, if he indeed does..these guys talk), I wish they would've had Semih have the shoulder surgery that will sideline him for a year and seek the injury exception that would free up the roster spot.

cut Wafer, he has no future on this team and with DWest back soon, we don't need him for anything.

Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2011, 11:32:45 PM »

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Smith is saying that the Celts are changing the team mascot to Jar Jar Binks and Sheed is coming back to be the guy in the suit, right? Right?  Someone. Anyone?  Right?   :'(

Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2011, 11:42:11 PM »

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Thanks for being the first person to shed some light on the Erden injury. Do you have any links? If Erden's injury is similar to Perkins' from a few years back, then he may be playing on borrowed time; I recall hearing back then that a dislocation of such a structurally weak shoulder could end a player's season, if not career.

I don't have a quote or a link, but the explanation came from Doc, who said that like Perk Semih has a loose labrum and that it causes his shoulder to easily come out of socket.

But be rest assured that it's not a situation that poses any long term injury risk.  Like I said before, it's a pain tolerance issue--having the shoulder come out of socket causes extreme pain, that's all.  Once he has surgery and goes through rehab, he'll be good as new.  He's been playing with this injury for 2 years now and if not for the WC's last summer he would have had it taken care of before the season started.

I seem to recall Brandon Wallace was waived just months after signing a two-year contract, although I can't recall how much of it was guaranteed. P.J. Brown was signed about two months afterwards, although there's not necessarily any cause and effect there.

Brandon's contract, like Lester Hudson last season and Von Wafer this year, was partially guaranteed.  


But Wyc has also often added cash to minor deals (e.g. Cassell to the Kings, buying Bill Walker's rights from the Wizards), and the amount involved with Erden's contract for this year and next aren't greater than cash amounts that have been utilized in the past to finalize deals.

Wafer and West's deals are now fully guaranteed, I think. Waiving them provides no relief to the club.

Exactly.  If Sheed-to-the-Cs was in play, they would have released Wafer before the Jan. 6th deadline so as to open up a roster spot and save the luxury tax hit.  Given that Wafer's (and West's) contract is now guaranteed, they're on the hook for his salary for the remainder of the year, plus the luxury tax hit.  

The significance of Erden's 2-year guaranteed contract is that if he was released the Cs would be on the hook for both this year's and next season's salary, an amount that is doubled when you consider the luxury tax implications.  So, if a need does arise and they have to cut somebody to open up a roster spot, waiving Wafer would be the cheapest option.  Erden's 2nd guaranteed year makes cutting him more expensive (and therefore less likely).  

I do agree that Erden, having shown some promise during the first 20 games of the season, could probably net some kind of a return in a trade. So a release would probably be a last resort, and one probably not taken.

Again, if it's about clearing a roster spot, there are a lot of ways of doing that without losing Erden.  The first and easiest is waiving Wafer, who will be an afterthought in the rotation once Delonte returns.  

Also remember that even though Sheed is a center, it's not necessarily the case that the Cs would simply exchange one center for another.  Erden's value is not only that he can fill the middle adequately in a pinch and is a perfect 5th/6th big, it's also that he can also do it in 2011 too, a time when JO, Shaq, and Sheed may all be retired for good and a time when Perk and Baby may or may not still be with the team (as they're both free agents this summer).  Erden's a young cheap center--and he has value now and in the future, all things which point towards him staying with the team for at least the rest of this current season.
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2011, 01:55:48 PM »

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I guess your memory is cloudy, but Sheed played pretty well in that game and had 10 rebounds.  Doc couldn't play him more because he had a back problem.  That's why you didn't get more from him.  It was the Big 3 that let the team down.  Pierce and Ray didn't shoot well and KG had only 3 rebounds.

Edit: this is in response to blceltsfan above.  Forgot to use the quotes.

I posted his stats for game 7 (sorry the collumns are a little off. see my post above) he had 8 rebounds not 10. he was 6/15 from the floor, again didn't get to the foul line once. Fouled out. Lakers Bynum was hurt and played a subpar 18 min but Gasol went off for 19pts and 18rbs and to the line for 7-13.


I'd take my chances with who we have who have worked hard and been here.

Not that it will change your opinion much, but he was 5-for-11 from the field overall.  Three pointers are included in FGAs (unlike in Europe, where they're counted separately statistically.)

I was pretty happy with Rasheed's 11/8 in that game.  Also, you can't discount his defense; Gasol, Bynum, and Odom shot a combined 10-for-29 in that game.

Sigh...  Looking back in that game, it's amazing that we lost.  Derek Fisher was the only Laker to shoot above 39% in Game 7.  It all came down to rebounding, and if anything, that solidifies the point that we need as many big men as possible.
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Re: Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2011, 03:36:02 PM »

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I guess your memory is cloudy, but Sheed played pretty well in that game and had 10 rebounds.  Doc couldn't play him more because he had a back problem.  That's why you didn't get more from him.  It was the Big 3 that let the team down.  Pierce and Ray didn't shoot well and KG had only 3 rebounds.

Edit: this is in response to blceltsfan above.  Forgot to use the quotes.

I posted his stats for game 7 (sorry the collumns are a little off. see my post above) he had 8 rebounds not 10. he was 6/15 from the floor, again didn't get to the foul line once. Fouled out. Lakers Bynum was hurt and played a subpar 18 min but Gasol went off for 19pts and 18rbs and to the line for 7-13.


I'd take my chances with who we have who have worked hard and been here.

Not that it will change your opinion much, but he was 5-for-11 from the field overall.  Three pointers are included in FGAs (unlike in Europe, where they're counted separately statistically.)

I was pretty happy with Rasheed's 11/8 in that game.  Also, you can't discount his defense; Gasol, Bynum, and Odom shot a combined 10-for-29 in that game.

Sigh...  Looking back in that game, it's amazing that we lost.  Derek Fisher was the only Laker to shoot above 39% in Game 7.  It all came down to rebounding, and if anything, that solidifies the point that we need as many big men as possible.
Rebounding/officiating.

While comparing the combined shooting of Sheed VS GAsol, Bynum and Odum, also compare the rebounding which was a combined 31 boards with 15 off the offensive glass. Those 3 went to the line 15 times and made 8, where Sheed never even tripped over the line.

As for his previously mentioned bad back. That has been a cronic condition for him and another reason to appreciate his EFFORT but move on to a better option.