I Want To Trade BBD :(

[lJesterl]

I don't post often so please dont think this is one of those threads where we lose and everyone freaks out. I just honestly do not like BBD that much. He is killing us. He will never be better then he is right now and the value for him will never be any higher.

Something about BBD has changed and it is not his ego that is getting bigger. Something else is getting bigger and its terrible. Whatever it is he has this mindset that he is MJ or the Boston Savior. He is shooting the ball way to much and even if he was shooting a high % it still hurts us because it has been bringing down his rebounding. He is shooting more away from the basket and not rebounding the ball. We got hammered tonight on the boards against the Bulls and that was one of the main reasons. He had 3 rebounds tonight out of a possible 78 rebounds in the game. I'm not good with the numbers or what teams really want so I couldn't tell you what trade we should do. That's Dannys job. One possible avenue to explore would be trading Baby + Nate but only exploring trading nate aswell if Chauncey billups gets bought out if Denver trades him. We could sign him and say peace out nate? I dunno. I'm just frustrated with Baby and I have been for a long time.

[LilRip]

while i would love to get Billups, we can't get Billups. Billups wants to retire a Nugget. so if he gets bought out, he's signing back with Denver even if they are rebuilding.

if he does get bought out by the nets (or whoever) i do hope that KG and co will be able to coax him into signing here, even if it's just for this one year. after that, he can resign with Denver for a bigger contract for around, a couple more years or something.

[clover]

I don't post often so please dont think this is one of those threads where we lose and everyone freaks out. I just honestly do not like BBD that much. He is killing us. He will never be better then he is right now and the value for him will never be any higher.

Something about BBD has changed and it is not his ego that is getting bigger. Something else is getting bigger and its terrible. Whatever it is he has this mindset that he is MJ or the Boston Savior. He is shooting the ball way to much and even if he was shooting a high % it still hurts us because it has been bringing down his rebounding. He is shooting more away from the basket and not rebounding the ball. We got hammered tonight on the boards against the Bulls and that was one of the main reasons. He had 3 rebounds tonight out of a possible 78 rebounds in the game. I'm not good with the numbers or what teams really want so I couldn't tell you what trade we should do. That's Dannys job. One possible avenue to explore would be trading Baby + Nate but only exploring trading nate aswell if Chauncey billups gets bought out if Denver trades him. We could sign him and say peace out nate? I dunno. I'm just frustrated with Baby and I have been for a long time.

He's going Toine on us, except with deep 2's instead of 3's.

[Change]

Nate is the most frustrating player on the team this year. Baby is making a late push for that title. Not surprised to see them both in your trade proposal. Their play this year has been like a roller coaster ride. But i still wouldn't trade either one of them. Once the rotation gets set and everyone is back, both roles will decrease & go back to norm. Especially not after what they shown they are capable off last playoffs. Two special talents.

[Bankshot]

I'm sorry, but the reason Glen is taking so many shots is party because of Rondo.  Rondo walks the ball up the court, then holds it forever, waiting for the defense to set against the Celtics and waits for someone to get open, waiting for Ray to come off of 2 and 3 screens.  Then with few seconds left on the clock, Glen is his only option to pass to because he already let the defense get set against Pierce and Ray. It's ridiculous sometimes. When you do that, everyone is covered, leaving himself and Baby as his only option for a shot and you know most times he's going to pass to Baby instead of taking the shot himself.  You just can't let good defenses like Chicago get set every time down the floor.  Sometimes Baby takes the shot too early (and that's frustrating) but most times if he passes again and doesn't take the shot, it's a 3 second violation or a shot clock violation.  He's been put in a bad spot a lot of times.

The two games prior, Rondo was pushing the ball, Pierce and Shaq were getting dunks and layups.  Not last night.  Maybe they were just tired because of the back to back, I don't know.

Rondo needs to push the ball as often as possible and stop letting good defenses get set, then he'll have more options to pass to.  

That being said, I think things will go back to normal once KG gets back.

Oh, that's why Rondo and Davis took most of the shots, they were the only ones open most of the night.

[Bankshot]

I don't post often so please dont think this is one of those threads where we lose and everyone freaks out. I just honestly do not like BBD that much. He is killing us. He will never be better then he is right now and the value for him will never be any higher.

Something about BBD has changed and it is not his ego that is getting bigger. Something else is getting bigger and its terrible. Whatever it is he has this mindset that he is MJ or the Boston Savior. He is shooting the ball way to much and even if he was shooting a high % it still hurts us because it has been bringing down his rebounding. He is shooting more away from the basket and not rebounding the ball. We got hammered tonight on the boards against the Bulls and that was one of the main reasons. He had 3 rebounds tonight out of a possible 78 rebounds in the game. I'm not good with the numbers or what teams really want so I couldn't tell you what trade we should do. That's Dannys job. One possible avenue to explore would be trading Baby + Nate but only exploring trading nate aswell if Chauncey billups gets bought out if Denver trades him. We could sign him and say peace out nate? I dunno. I'm just frustrated with Baby and I have been for a long time.

I noticed the change.  He went from bench player to starter, which will change on Monday when KG gets back.

[LilRip]

I don't post often so please dont think this is one of those threads where we lose and everyone freaks out. I just honestly do not like BBD that much. He is killing us. He will never be better then he is right now and the value for him will never be any higher.

Something about BBD has changed and it is not his ego that is getting bigger. Something else is getting bigger and its terrible. Whatever it is he has this mindset that he is MJ or the Boston Savior. He is shooting the ball way to much and even if he was shooting a high % it still hurts us because it has been bringing down his rebounding. He is shooting more away from the basket and not rebounding the ball. We got hammered tonight on the boards against the Bulls and that was one of the main reasons. He had 3 rebounds tonight out of a possible 78 rebounds in the game. I'm not good with the numbers or what teams really want so I couldn't tell you what trade we should do. That's Dannys job. One possible avenue to explore would be trading Baby + Nate but only exploring trading nate aswell if Chauncey billups gets bought out if Denver trades him. We could sign him and say peace out nate? I dunno. I'm just frustrated with Baby and I have been for a long time.

He's going Toine on us, except with deep 2's instead of 3's.

lol! TP for a good chuckle

[mmbaby]

I'm glad OP is not decision maker. He wants to trade BBD just because he 'never really liked him'. And what a perfect time to bring it up after Baby's had his worst game of the season against Boozer.
BBD has been awesome for this team and is allowed to have a confidence stumble every now and then, especially now, when he is expected to be KG. I'm sure every young player wants to be KG, but I know that BBD knows he is not and is not trying to be him, only trying to help his team. I think he feels a great amount of pressure to replace KG in this interim and I truly feel for him. He's been doing a fine job and will come back once he's passed this hump.

[aporel#18]

Big Baby is out of his game right now. Hopefully with KG in the lineup again, BBD finds his role. If I recall correctly, he said in preseason he still didn't know what his role is. I then thought he was kidding, meaning he would work hard to earn a bigger role. The fact is he hasn't earned it, it's been injuries again, and he's out there trying to show he can start. But the results of his trying is the complete opposite.

I don't want the C's to trade BBD, I think they need him, especially with the injury bug as a keeper in our team. But he's convincing me more and more he won't be a starter in this league. He has talent to outweight his physical limitations, but he needs to play as a sparkplug from the bench, and keep doing what coaches tell him.

I think Carl Landry is a better player, but don't think he'd be able to play within Celtics system without adaptation period. And Jason Thompson is an intriguing player, but right now I don't think the C's make a trade involving BBD.

If Delonte and Perk where healthy and playing right now, Shrek could be in the trading block alongside Donkey. Then there would be good options, like  Tyrus Thomas, J. Thompson + Garcia, and I wouldn't rule out Danny asking for Josh Howard + Yi Jianlian.

With the return of KG, we'll see if BBD returns to his good ways. I hope so.

[Who]

I think Carl Landry is a better player, but don't think he'd be able to play within Celtics system without adaptation period.

Landry played in a very similar defensive system in Houston under Jeff Van Gundy.

Offensively, he'd give the second unit a true go-to guy ... they'd run the offense through his hands.

I don't see any problems with Landry adapting to the Celtics.

[pearljammer10]

I don't post often so please dont think this is one of those threads where we lose and everyone freaks out. I just honestly do not like BBD that much. He is killing us. He will never be better then he is right now and the value for him will never be any higher.

Something about BBD has changed and it is not his ego that is getting bigger. Something else is getting bigger and its terrible. Whatever it is he has this mindset that he is MJ or the Boston Savior. He is shooting the ball way to much and even if he was shooting a high % it still hurts us because it has been bringing down his rebounding. He is shooting more away from the basket and not rebounding the ball. We got hammered tonight on the boards against the Bulls and that was one of the main reasons. He had 3 rebounds tonight out of a possible 78 rebounds in the game. I'm not good with the numbers or what teams really want so I couldn't tell you what trade we should do. That's Dannys job. One possible avenue to explore would be trading Baby + Nate but only exploring trading nate aswell if Chauncey billups gets bought out if Denver trades him. We could sign him and say peace out nate? I dunno. I'm just frustrated with Baby and I have been for a long time.

Couldnt agree about Big Baby more. I have never liked him and have never liked his game. Yea he has been having a pretty good season, but he is trying to play hero ball and is looking to benefit himself to get a new contract rather than help the team. He rebounds poorly, he never passes the ball. At least he can take a charge.

I'm sorry, but the reason Glen is taking so many shots is party because of Rondo.  Rondo walks the ball up the court, then holds it forever, waiting for the defense to set against the Celtics and waits for someone to get open, waiting for Ray to come off of 2 and 3 screens.  Then with few seconds left on the clock, Glen is his only option to pass to because he already let the defense get set against Pierce and Ray. It's ridiculous sometimes. When you do that, everyone is covered, leaving himself and Baby as his only option for a shot and you know most times he's going to pass to Baby instead of taking the shot himself.  You just can't let good defenses like Chicago get set every time down the floor.  Sometimes Baby takes the shot too early (and that's frustrating) but most times if he passes again and doesn't take the shot, it's a 3 second violation or a shot clock violation.  He's been put in a bad spot a lot of times.

The two games prior, Rondo was pushing the ball, Pierce and Shaq were getting dunks and layups.  Not last night.  Maybe they were just tired because of the back to back, I don't know.

Rondo needs to push the ball as often as possible and stop letting good defenses get set, then he'll have more options to pass to. 

That being said, I think things will go back to normal once KG gets back.

Oh, that's why Rondo and Davis took most of the shots, they were the only ones open most of the night.

Im sorry but this is wrong. The reason Glen Davis takes so many shots is because he never passes the ball and doesnt let the rest of the offense get into its rhythm. His hands must have glue on them because whenever he gets the ball, the only place it is going to leave it towards the rim. He needs to start playing with the team and not being such a ball hog and feeling the need to take the shot EVERY time he gets the ball.

[aporel#18]

I think Carl Landry is a better player, but don't think he'd be able to play within Celtics system without adaptation period.

Landry played in a very similar defensive system in Houston under Jeff Van Gundy.

Offensively, he'd give the second unit a true go-to guy ... they'd run the offense through his hands.

I don't see any problems with Landry adapting to the Celtics.

I don't know, if that's true I hope Ainge is exploring options, although BBD is hurting his trade value with his late performance.

I really liked Landry in Houston, he seemed like a tough and talented player.

[clover]

Baby drives me crazy, but I don't want to see him traded.  (I do want him to get with the program, however.)

[Jon]

I think we should leave the option on the table, but I wouldn't do anything until we see this team at full speed.  BBD really isn't a 30+ mpg player.  However, it doesn't mean he can't be highly effective backing up KG for 15-20 mpg. 

However, he may be our only expendable piece that any other team would be interested in obtaining.  So if Danny sees a void to be filled (maybe a big backup 3), he could be a goner. 

[Junkyard Dawg]

People need to keep things in perspective.  The four games prior to last night, Baby shot almost 50% (27 of 55).  Then the four games before that he shot a poor percentage.  And then for most of the season before that he was shooting well.

I've seen a number of people on this board argue that Baby has been awful as a starter, but how quickly we forget how well he's filled in for Garnett in the past.  Playoffs '08 quickly come to mind, I can't find the stats but I remember them being close to 15 pts 7 rebounds, shooting something in the neighborhood of 45%.  So he's filled in very well before, and recently he hasn't been as spectacular, but it's not fair to make a blanket statement like "he's bad as a starter".

I can only conclude that there is some kind of bias against BBD, really not sure why that is.  The guy was playing at most, out of his mind, and at least very good, before KG went down.  I've never played basketball at a professional level, but I have been able to deduce that all players go through streaks during the course of the season.  You had to expect BBDs level of play to come down at some point, we are seeing it now, we are going to see it go up again, it's inevitable.