What Is Kevin Love's Trade Value?

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Trade offer that I'm sure wouldn't actually happen:

Denver Sends: Carmelo Anthony, Ty Lawson, JR Smith
Denver Recieves: Derrick Favors, Kevin Love, Troy Muphy,

Minnesota Sends: Kevin Love
Minnesota Recieves: Ty Lawson, JR Smith, 3 first round pick

New Jersey Nets Send: Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy, 3 first round picks
New Jersey Nets Recieve: Carmelo Anthony

[GreenEnvy]

Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

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Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

Well Marcus Camby gets more rebounds according to pace.

And yes, Love gets in good position with alarming consistency, but he doesn't need to help on the entire opposing team like Dwight does.

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Just to be clear IP;

We got Kevin Love and Dwight Howard in one gym, and we're doing the rebound drill where they both star tin the same spot until the ball goes up? And you think Dwight wins 9 of those?

[birdwatcher]

Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

can "both be in position"? Isn't the point of boxing out to win the spot? Barkley was a great rebounder (at 6'4") because he had tree trunk legs and used them to get position, not because he was 7 feet with boulder sized shoulders. Rodman was taller, but he was fairly spry for his position and he was also one of the best rebounders ever. Love could do that to if he keeps that desire.

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Every GM in the league would want Love.  He's still on a rookie deal, and Minny's total salary is still very low, with no real bad contracts to shed.  And they have some picks, too.

Short answer:  Minny won't move him, and will match any offer when he's a RFA.  End of story.

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Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

can "both be in position"? Isn't the point of boxing out to win the spot? Barkley was a great rebounder (at 6'4") because he had tree trunk legs and used them to get position, not because he was 7 feet with boulder sized shoulders. Rodman was taller, but he was fairly spry for his position and he was also one of the best rebounders ever. Love could do that to if he keeps that desire.

My point was that Dwight hadn't been out of position defending at the time.

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Just to be clear IP;

We got Kevin Love and Dwight Howard in one gym, and we're doing the rebound drill where they both star tin the same spot until the ball goes up? And you think Dwight wins 9 of those?

Yup. Dwight is a physical freak. Kevin Love is not, so he can't, and is not asked to do everything Dwight does on the defensive end (but pretty much no one else in the league can anyways), so Love dedicates himself to rebounding every single ball. If both guys only had to get boards, I think Dwight would be a lot better.

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Just to be clear IP;

We got Kevin Love and Dwight Howard in one gym, and we're doing the rebound drill where they both star tin the same spot until the ball goes up? And you think Dwight wins 9 of those?

Yup. Dwight is a physical freak. Kevin Love is not, so he can't, and is not asked to do everything Dwight does on the defensive end (but pretty much no one else in the league can anyways), so Love dedicates himself to rebounding every single ball. If both guys only had to get boards, I think Dwight would be a lot better.

I got 10 bucks on Kevin Love. You bring you boy, I'll bring mine. Reggie Lewis Center, be there or be square.

I understand the athletic difference, but I think Love's superiority in basketball IQ and positioning makes up for it.

[GreenEnvy]

Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

Well Marcus Camby gets more rebounds according to pace.

And yes, Love gets in good position with alarming consistency, but he doesn't need to help on the entire opposing team like Dwight does.

Are you saying you'd rather have Camby than Love, Howard, Noah, Griffin, etc...

I don't know, Dwight always seems to be in the paint waiting while the shot is mid-air, both on offense and defense.

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No, IP is just saying that Camby might be a better rebounder. Threads gotten a little off topic.

[GreenEnvy]

Kidding aside, I can see what IP is saying that his numbers are slightly inflated, but we have to give this kid his due. I think  its one of those things where the stats are SO astonishing that we race to try to figure out how it's possible. In his case, we hear pace and teammates blamed a lot. There's some validity to that, but in the last 30 years there's been no lack of lousy teams who play a fast face and don't get back on defense, and there hasn't been anyone resembling what Kevin Love is doing.

No, I agree with a lot of that. I'm just saying..a ball goes up, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard have an equal shot at it, neither one starts out of position, and you have to choose one of them to get it.

Dwight 9 times outta 10.

Kevin Love simply doesn't have to worry about getting back on defense as much as other premier bigs after a missed shot, he doesn't need to hold up the defense on his shoulders like KG or Dwight does, and he cares enough about getting the board that he doesn't care if Nikola Pekovic goes without.

Because of those things, but more importantly because of a near unsurpassed acumen for knowing where the ball will end up and knowing how to slither in there to get it, Love is giving out too good to be true numbers.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder in the NBA, but I don't think he's the best.

By what standard?

If Dwight and he both go up for the same rebound (both are in position), I doubt Love stands a chance.

But, as a shot goes up, I think Love may have the best odds of any player to position himself for that rebound, and ultimately get it.

Other than perhaps Dwight, who is better?

can "both be in position"? Isn't the point of boxing out to win the spot? Barkley was a great rebounder (at 6'4") because he had tree trunk legs and used them to get position, not because he was 7 feet with boulder sized shoulders. Rodman was taller, but he was fairly spry for his position and he was also one of the best rebounders ever. Love could do that to if he keeps that desire.

Well by position I mean both have an equal shot at it (neither has an advantage). They are both in the same vicinity and the ball is falling their way. If both go up for it, is their any doubt Dwight takes it down?

Surely rebounding isn't purely about length, athleticism, or even strength for that matter. Intelligence and desire play a part in it too.

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Not that the Magic have the pieces, but if I'm a team with Dwight Howard on it I'd give up just about anything to get the ability to build around Dwight Howard and Kevin Love at the 4-5.

[GreenEnvy]

Not that the Magic have the pieces, but if I'm a team with Dwight Howard on it I'd give up just about anything to get the ability to build around Dwight Howard and Kevin Love at the 4-5.

I don't know, I'd kinda think the opposite. His strengths mimic Dwights, and so do his weaknesses - that he can't really create his own shot. He can shoot, but if he is hanging out around the perimeter, they're better off getting Rashard back.

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Between the blocks and rebounds, I think those two create a frightening pace for their opponents.

And could you imagine the rebounds at that pace?!