Sometimes I wish Garnett would shoot as much as Baby

[CelticG1]

I know the Celtics thrive on ball movement and it is a major reason why we have had such success but sometimes it would be nice to see Garnett shoot a bit more. Big Baby is out there taking every open jumper, to a fault, where if Garnett took that many he would be averaging close to 20 a game. I see KG pass up these shots when he is wide open not even looking for the shot (not too mention his shot is un-blockable anyway).It would be like Ray passing up a wide open 3. It's his money shot, he should be taking it every time hes open.

I know it's not his style and he's not changing but it would be nice to see him be just a bit more aggressive with his jumper. People wouldn't be complaining about Baby's outside shooting if KG was taking those shots because they would be going in!

[wdleehi]

If he posted up more, yes.



But let's be honest, KG never gets as many open jump shots as Davis.  KG is not going to force his shot. 

[CelticG1]

If he posted up more, yes.



But let's be honest, KG never gets as many open jump shots as Davis.  KG is not going to force his shot. 

If they are "Open jumpshots" how is that forcing a shot? I'm talking about shooting it off the catch. Not isolation, or posting up. I'm saying every time he gets the ball in his hands a step or two in from the 3 point line he should pretty much be shooting unless someone is in his face. It's at least a 50% shot right?

[wdleehi]

If he posted up more, yes.



But let's be honest, KG never gets as many open jump shots as Davis.  KG is not going to force his shot. 

If they are "Open jumpshots" how is that forcing a shot? I'm talking about shooting it off the catch. Not isolation, or posting up. I'm saying every time he gets the ball in his hands a step or two in from the 3 point line he should pretty much be shooting unless someone is in his face. It's at least a 50% shot right?

I don't see him passing up to many open shots.  I do see him passing as the defense reacts and rotates towards him. 

[CelticG1]

If he posted up more, yes.



But let's be honest, KG never gets as many open jump shots as Davis.  KG is not going to force his shot. 

If they are "Open jumpshots" how is that forcing a shot? I'm talking about shooting it off the catch. Not isolation, or posting up. I'm saying every time he gets the ball in his hands a step or two in from the 3 point line he should pretty much be shooting unless someone is in his face. It's at least a 50% shot right?

I don't see him passing up to many open shots.  I do see him passing as the defense reacts and rotates towards him. 

I rarely see the defense rotate where they are right up under him. He has PLENTY of open shots that he doesn't take every game. He is the most selfless player on our team, the guy makes the extra pass when he has a dunk only to hit the ball off Shaq's dome who is looking for the rebound.

[Fafnir]

Garnett shoots more than Big Baby in a typical game, both per minute and per game. Though baby's recent games show that he's more than willing to exceed Garnett's average.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=FXEoM

I do agree that KG could be more aggressive, especially when he gets closer to the rim. He often tries to dump it for a lay up when he'd be better served just taking a shot using his superior length.

I agree with Wideload though, defenses are willing to give up a BBD shot more than they are a KG shot. Remember how many open jump shots the C's would give Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and AV. That's the sort of thing that happens with BBD, though lately they've been more concious of keeping him out of the 15-17 foot sweet zone that he's hitting better this year.

[pearljammer10]

I think he should get the ball in the post more, and actually try to drive to the basket rather than fall away. But hey, hes the professional making 19 mil a year so who am I to give him advice.

[Snakehead]

Garnett shoots more than Big Baby in a typical game, both per minute and per game. Though baby's recent games show that he's more than willing to exceed Garnett's average.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=FXEoM

I do agree that KG could be more aggressive, especially when he gets closer to the rim. He often tries to dump it for a lay up when he'd be better served just taking a shot using his superior length.

I agree with Wideload though, defenses are willing to give up a BBD shot more than they are a KG shot. Remember how many open jump shots the C's would give Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and AV. That's the sort of thing that happens with BBD, though lately they've been more concious of keeping him out of the 15-17 foot sweet zone that he's hitting better this year.

Agree on pretty much everything you say. 

I really don't think KG should be any more aggressive in his midrange, he shoots such a good percentage because he takes GOOD looks.  If he took more they would often probably be worse looks and he wouldn't shoot such a great percentage.

That being said he should be more aggressive in the post.  Every once in a while you see him really go at a guy aggressively looking to post and you have to think "Why aren't you doing that a lot more?"  Antawn Jamison in the Cavs series comes to mind.  Once they finally went to that matchup in the post it was a joke.

BBD takes some bad shots so I would never tell KG to be more like him.  KG has excellent shot selection.  It's simply not accurate to say "he should shoot more because he woud just make more" because he shoots so well because he takes great shots.  He could be more aggressive but at some point you are trying to make KG something he is not.  On offense he has great spacing too and if he was always aggressive he would ruin that spacing a lot of times..

I don't see him passing up to many open shots.  I do see him passing as the defense reacts and rotates towards him. 

This is an accurate statement.  KG simply doesn't pass up on real open jumpers, he takes them.  He passes when the D rotates and that creates open shots or opportunities for the other players.

Again, good spacing and passing.

[CelticG1]

Maybe my definition of open looks is different than you guys. I thought I remembered hearing Doc directly talk about KG passing up shots. I also watch the games and see him pass up open looks every game.

[CelticG1]

Garnett shoots more than Big Baby in a typical game, both per minute and per game. Though baby's recent games show that he's more than willing to exceed Garnett's average.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=FXEoM

I do agree that KG could be more aggressive, especially when he gets closer to the rim. He often tries to dump it for a lay up when he'd be better served just taking a shot using his superior length.

I agree with Wideload though, defenses are willing to give up a BBD shot more than they are a KG shot. Remember how many open jump shots the C's would give Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and AV. That's the sort of thing that happens with BBD, though lately they've been more concious of keeping him out of the 15-17 foot sweet zone that he's hitting better this year.

Agree on pretty much everything you say. 

I really don't think KG should be any more aggressive in his midrange, he shoots such a good percentage because he takes GOOD looks.  If he took more they would often probably be worse looks and he wouldn't shoot such a great percentage.

That being said he should be more aggressive in the post.  Every once in a while you see him really go at a guy aggressively looking to post and you have to think "Why aren't you doing that a lot more?"  Antawn Jamison in the Cavs series comes to mind.  Once they finally went to that matchup in the post it was a joke.

BBD takes some bad shots so I would never tell KG to be more like him.  KG has excellent shot selection.  It's simply not accurate to say "he should shoot more because he woud just make more" because he shoots so well because he takes great shots.  He could be more aggressive but at some point you are trying to make KG something he is not.  On offense he has great spacing too and if he was always aggressive he would ruin that spacing a lot of times..

I don't see him passing up to many open shots.  I do see him passing as the defense reacts and rotates towards him. 

This is an accurate statement.  KG simply doesn't pass up on real open jumpers, he takes them.  He passes when the D rotates and that creates open shots or opportunities for the other players.

Again, good spacing and passing.

You are saying that I am trying to make KG something he is not but I think sticking him in the post is making him more of something he is not. I would say most people classify KG as a "jump shooter" rather than a "post player"

Here's Doc on KG passing up open shots:

    “I was thinking I’d take the first one,” Rivers said. “So it’s funny how even though they’ve been together for so long, at times they don’t want to step on each other’s toes. It’s amazing how long it takes at times.

    “And that’s Kevin, especially, passing up open shots. But they’re finding their way, and they will find their way. I’m not that concerned by it.”

Doc Rivers' order: Be selfish

Maybe it was just that one game or maybe "That's Kevin" in every game.

[Birdbrain]

You're on point OP.  Garnett passes up a few open shots a game.  Sometimes it works out in a pass for even better shot but, mostly it leads to unnecessary TOs.  The term is over passing.  The Celtics as a whole do it from a time to time but, they lead the league in assists as well.  He's unselfish to a fault in some cases whereas BBD shoots about the the right amount times a game.  Sometimes a tad too much I guess but, he should shoot every wide open 17 ft he gets. Because it's normally the best shot you will get. 

[apvermont]

I wish Garnett would be more aggressive around the rim.  He needs to go to the basket instead of shooting the fade away.  He shows glimps of that but more often than not he will shoot the jumper. He needs to shoot more.  By the way BABY is horrible.  I wished we traded him when we had the chance. Yes, he does hustle and does some of the little things but he shoots like he is somebody important.  I HATE him!!

[Bankshot]

I wish Garnett would be more aggressive around the rim.  He needs to go to the basket instead of shooting the fade away.  He shows glimps of that but more often than not he will shoot the jumper. He needs to shoot more.  By the way BABY is horrible.  I wished we traded him when we had the chance. Yes, he does hustle and does some of the little things but he shoots like he is somebody important.  I HATE him!!

Wow. Where would this team be right now without Baby's play from the bench?  He's had a bad stretch of games after playing great, and that's all the haters need to come out of the woodwork.   Baby has been clutch for the Celtics since he's been here.  It's a shame that the guy has haters from his own team's fan base.

[Fafnir]

I wish Garnett would be more aggressive around the rim.  He needs to go to the basket instead of shooting the fade away.  He shows glimps of that but more often than not he will shoot the jumper. He needs to shoot more.  By the way BABY is horrible.  I wished we traded him when we had the chance. Yes, he does hustle and does some of the little things but he shoots like he is somebody important.  I HATE him!!

Wow. Where would this team be right now without Baby's play from the bench?  He's had a bad stretch of games after playing great, and that's all the haters need to come out of the woodwork.   Baby has been clutch for the Celtics since he's been here.  It's a shame that the guy has haters from his own team's fan base.

Every players have has there critics on the board, Ray is old, Pierce ISO hate, Rondo can't shoot, Perkins fumbles the ball away so much and is awful, etc...

We're hyper attentive fanatics who spend a lot of time on a message board, that's what we are. (especially compared to the average NBA viewer)

We're all Celtics fans, some just appreciate different players and get frustrated by others. My dad can't stand baby most of the time, due to his poor rebounding and (last year at least) struggles finishing. "You have to make your lay ups" was his favorite line.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

KG always seems to know what to do with the ball, shoot, drive or pass. His shot selection, is usually from "his spot"  bbd really doesn't have a spot....not in the last 3-4 games anyway. He did have one spot, at a 45 degree angle, 10 feet from the hoop...that was good, but he has to pair that with more inside work..

  bbd's problem is , he seems to not like going inside, he doesn't want to work on his elevation problems, and he only goes for offensive rebounds sometimes..as in very rarely...Rondo and KG go for more...being a utlity guy is bbd's role, he just doesn't want to do it.

   We NEED BBD to do what LEon did, that is exactly what we are missing here, an inside rebounder, who puts it back up well. We Don't need another shooter, he isn't a shot blocker..this is why people are down on bbd, he doesn't like his role, and tries to do more of what he wants vs what we need.