A few interesting things i heard on NBATV

[housecall]

Last night while watching NBATV,they were discussing different players worth to their prospective teams and i heard something i hadn't given any thought to this season but after he said it and i gave it some serious thought,i understand where he is coming from.Jerry Stackhouse said he felt Paul Pierce should be given consideration for MVP mainly because of his consistency on a team that has gone thru a lot of setbacks with injury after injury.He felt Paul has been the one player that has kept his team heading in the right direction.
  Next,Stackhouse a player who has recently been in the NBA and just might be on a team before the season is up can best judge a player than any non NBA member in my opinion.He also said the last three teams he's played on,the scouting report has always read,"embarrass Rondo into shooting".But he also said when the teams have gone with that approach,Rondo has always proved them wrong by hitting the shots he should hit...thoughts?  

[ssspence]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

[housecall]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

[pearljammer10]

The whole back off Rondo above the three point line thing has always been semi ridiculous to me. Not only has he made that open shot a good amount of the time, other teams just give him way too much space to work with the ball. Even if he doesnt shoot the jumped, he has tons of space to create plays for others without feeling any defensive pressure. I would think the last things other teams would want to do is make this guy comfortable while he has the ball in his hands.

As far as Pierce goes I could definitely support a Pierce for MVP argument. Always can put the team on his back, and even though he has lost a step or two, he is still one of the best All Around ballers that the league has to offer, leaving it all out there on both ends of the floor.

[ssspence]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

yes, though he should've shot more often. he passed up numerous shots from within 10 feet.

[Snakehead]

I don't think the Pierce thing is ridiculous but I really can't imagine giving any player on the Celtics MVP. I feel KG and Rondo both have very strong cases for MVP this season.  And the Pierce one isn't bad either.

When you have what you feel like are 3 candidates you can't really win it I guess.  We just are a great team.

[Fafnir]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

[JerseyKid.]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Nonsense, i enjoy the teams letting rondo roam around the 3 point line and up to the foul line. I hope they continue to let him do that for the rest of the season ...

[CelticG1]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

The worst is when Rondo (and to a certain extent Garnett)pass up a lay up to try and give it to X-Player and it bounces off them, gets stolen, etc. Sometimes they are just a little too pass happy out there causing turnovers and trying to be a little too flashy.

[birdwatcher]

It may be too early in his absence to tell, but it seems like KG's injury has hurt the team the most. We simply don't have anyone with the length, skills, heart or desire to fill his shoes. I can't express enough how much I appreciate what Pierce has done the last few years, but if we lost KG for the year, we'd slip down to a 7 or 8 spot in the playoffs and probably make a quick exit. We did well when he went down before, but the East is a much different climate this year, in fact it almost looks like teams built their rosters to beat the Celtics. I hope we don't get a chance to see this in action, but I feel like we could replace what Pierce does for the team a bit easier than we can replace what KG brings to the team. So to me, KG is the MVP candidate on this team, more so than Paul or Rondo.

[Snakehead]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

The worst is when Rondo (and to a certain extent Garnett)pass up a lay up to try and give it to X-Player and it bounces off them, gets stolen, etc. Sometimes they are just a little too pass happy out there causing turnovers and trying to be a little too flashy.

For every one time that happens I see a bunch of times where excellent ball movement leads to easy buckets.  As the old saying goes "Pass up a good shot for a great shot"

So I could care less.  Sure it sucks at times but I'd much rather have our excellent and unselfish team passing over other teams where the players are so busy looking to score themselves that they don't pass well, or at all.  If you are that type of passing team you are going to have the occasional overpass.

[Fafnir]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

The worst is when Rondo (and to a certain extent Garnett)pass up a lay up to try and give it to X-Player and it bounces off them, gets stolen, etc. Sometimes they are just a little too pass happy out there causing turnovers and trying to be a little too flashy.

For every one time that happens I see a bunch of times where excellent ball movement leads to easy buckets.  As the old saying goes "Pass up a good shot for a great shot"

So I could care less.  Sure it sucks at times but I'd much rather have our excellent and unselfish team passing over other teams where the players are so busy looking to score themselves that they don't pass well, or at all.

I don't think assists are an unselfish stat for a PG. I agree that its better than a selfish gunner attitude that some teams have, but its not a binary situation. You can be a willing passer and still look to take advantage of your individual offense.

[CelticG1]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

The worst is when Rondo (and to a certain extent Garnett)pass up a lay up to try and give it to X-Player and it bounces off them, gets stolen, etc. Sometimes they are just a little too pass happy out there causing turnovers and trying to be a little too flashy.

For every one time that happens I see a bunch of times where excellent ball movement leads to easy buckets.  As the old saying goes "Pass up a good shot for a great shot"

So I could care less.  Sure it sucks at times but I'd much rather have our excellent and unselfish team passing over other teams where the players are so busy looking to score themselves that they don't pass well, or at all.  If you are that type of passing team you are going to have the occasional overpass.

I agree completely, although when it gets to passing up open dunks and layups than it gets a little ridiculous

[Edgar]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

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[Snakehead]

agreed on both. when teams get so far out of their own system to try to play to rondo's weakness, it only gives him more time and space to create success.

not saying teams should be under his chin at the 3 point line, but the silliness we see from most is a recipe for failure. tempt him to shoot, don't give him an empty gym.

Like last night he made the Wolves pay when it counted the most.

But my thoughts are that the C's could have had a few more points if he'd started being aggresive for his own shot earlier.

The worst is when Rondo (and to a certain extent Garnett)pass up a lay up to try and give it to X-Player and it bounces off them, gets stolen, etc. Sometimes they are just a little too pass happy out there causing turnovers and trying to be a little too flashy.

For every one time that happens I see a bunch of times where excellent ball movement leads to easy buckets.  As the old saying goes "Pass up a good shot for a great shot"

So I could care less.  Sure it sucks at times but I'd much rather have our excellent and unselfish team passing over other teams where the players are so busy looking to score themselves that they don't pass well, or at all.

I don't think assists are an unselfish stat for a PG. I agree that its better than a selfish gunner attitude that some teams have, but its not a binary situation. You can be a willing passer and still look to take advantage of your individual offense.

But my point is I have never seen a team that passes really well where you don't get some overpassing.  No one has perfect decision making and I'd rather have the occasional overpass than the underpass that most teams in the NBA have (and are bad passing teams).

I agree that Rondo should look to score more, especially since that will open up the passing even more off help, but I just don't think that it is an overall team concern.  I am extremely pleased with the team's passing this year, it has been outstanding.