Less Baby, more Harangody?

[Rondo_is_better]

Glen "sacrificial lamb" Davis? The reality of the situation is that we suck without Rondo, and suck even more without KG. If those two played at full strength in this game, we win by 50.

[Overrated]

Glen Davis' immaturity down the stretch was disturbing. First he takes the three with time left on the clock, then he give West an open look on the other end.

Yep, after I saw that sequence I knew the game was over. What was he thinking taking that three? 

[guava_wrench]

If Luke was asked to do as much as we ask from Baby, Luke would be exposed. Major overreaction.

Did the OP check that Luke was 1-5? That's 20% shooting.

[Junkyard Dawg]

To me, bbd has more than earned the right to play his way out of the minor funk he is in.  He's been phenomenal this year.

'Gody looked good today but he shouldn't be taking more mins from BBD.  Realistically, we had to know BBD has been playing out of his mind up to this point this year, he wasn't going to keep up the kind of production that he's had.

But having said that, he shouldn't be losing mins to the rookie, unless he keeps taking dumb, or any, 3-point shots in the 4th quarter.

[dpaps]

If Luke was asked to do as much as we ask from Baby, Luke would be exposed. Major overreaction.

Did the OP check that Luke was 1-5? That's 20% shooting.

But maybe a more telling stat is that Luke was +18 in his 13 minutes while Baby was -19 in his 35 minutes. I'm not advocating for taking minutes away from Baby based on today's game alone, but I did like what I saw from Luke today. I think he should get some more minutes while KG is out, there are plenty of minutes to go around with all the injuries we're battling right now.

[CoachBo]

In a word ...

No.

[Roy H.]

If Luke was asked to do as much as we ask from Baby, Luke would be exposed. Major overreaction.

Did the OP check that Luke was 1-5? That's 20% shooting.

But maybe a more telling stat is that Luke was +18 in his 13 minutes while Baby was -19 in his 35 minutes. I'm not advocating for taking minutes away from Baby based on today's game alone, but I did like what I saw from Luke today. I think he should get some more minutes while KG is out, there are plenty of minutes to go around with all the injuries we're battling right now.

I agree.  I think the "OP's" argument was that, in games where BBD is struggling, Doc shouldn't hesitate to give Harangody or JO more minutes.  Today was an example of that:  BBD didn't have it, it was clear he didn't have it, and yet he was in the game down the stretch.  Some guys have earned the right to play their way out of a slump (Ray, Paul), and other guys aren't capable of digging their way out (BBD among them).

[TripleThreat]

Some guys have earned the right to play their way out of a slump (Ray, Paul), and other guys aren't capable of digging their way out (BBD among them).

Exactly, and that all comes down to mental toughness. Big Baby works hard but he has the tendency to try too hard as well. It never hurts to shake things up a little and that possibly could be all the motivation Davis needs.

[RAcker]

If Luke was asked to do as much as we ask from Baby, Luke would be exposed. Major overreaction.

Did the OP check that Luke was 1-5? That's 20% shooting.

But maybe a more telling stat is that Luke was +18 in his 13 minutes while Baby was -19 in his 35 minutes. I'm not advocating for taking minutes away from Baby based on today's game alone, but I did like what I saw from Luke today. I think he should get some more minutes while KG is out, there are plenty of minutes to go around with all the injuries we're battling right now.

I agree.  I think the "OP's" argument was that, in games where BBD is struggling, Doc shouldn't hesitate to give Harangody or JO more minutes.  Today was an example of that:  BBD didn't have it, it was clear he didn't have it, and yet he was in the game down the stretch.  Some guys have earned the right to play their way out of a slump (Ray, Paul), and other guys aren't capable of digging their way out (BBD among them).

Well said.  That 3 pt. attempt late in the game alone should have Doc sending Baby a message with his playing time on nights where he doesn't seem to have it going.

I know Doc can't afford to be too crazy right now when healthy bodies are hard to come by, but shaking up the rotation in terms of Baby on certain nights when he's not playing well would probably work as motivation in the long run.

[pearljammer10]

I wouldnt go as far as to say less baby more harangody.... I would be perfectly ok with less Baby more JO. I thought he had a great great game today, defense was incredible. Good for JO.

[Bahku]

Like everyone on this team, Big Baby's gonna have games where he's just "off", and at such times, Jermaine and Luke should be given more minutes. If a player is as cold as Glen was last night, he should be put on the bench ... at least temporarily. But that does not mean they should be given his spot permanently ... I wouldn't agree with doing that at all ... no way. BBD's our #1 guy off the bench.

[guava_wrench]

Like everyone on this team, Big Baby's gonna have games where he's just "off", and at such times, Jermaine and Luke should be given more minutes. If a player is as cold as Glen was last night, he should be put on the bench ... at least temporarily. But that does not mean they should be given his spot permanently ... I wouldn't agree with doing that at all ... no way. BBD's our #1 guy off the bench.

It isn't clear that being 'cold' actually means anything. Players who start off "hot" often stop hitting shots and players who start off "cold" often end up scoring a bunch in the closing minutes.

The idea of not player your main guys because they missed shots is something for fans at home to talk about but typically not a wise move for coaches in actual games. Run your system with your guys.

Apart from the 3, how many ill-advised shots did he take? In general, I am not a fan of his not yet ready for prime time fade away in the post, but if he is taking his jumpers, I am fine with that. Especially with no Rondo running the offense getting guy better shots.

I could be convinced by an argument that Baby is becoming a black hole. This may be more of a problem playing with the starters than it was with him coming off the bench, especially when Nate is running the offense.

[Bahku]

Like everyone on this team, Big Baby's gonna have games where he's just "off", and at such times, Jermaine and Luke should be given more minutes. If a player is as cold as Glen was last night, he should be put on the bench ... at least temporarily. But that does not mean they should be given his spot permanently ... I wouldn't agree with doing that at all ... no way. BBD's our #1 guy off the bench.

It isn't clear that being 'cold' actually means anything. Players who start off "hot" often stop hitting shots and players who start off "cold" often end up scoring a bunch in the closing minutes.

The idea of not player your main guys because they missed shots is something for fans at home to talk about but typically not a wise move for coaches in actual games. Run your system with your guys.

Apart from the 3, how many ill-advised shots did he take? In general, I am not a fan of his not yet ready for prime time fade away in the post, but if he is taking his jumpers, I am fine with that. Especially with no Rondo running the offense getting guy better shots.

I could be convinced by an argument that Baby is becoming a black hole. This may be more of a problem playing with the starters than it was with him coming off the bench, especially when Nate is running the offense.

I didn't come up with the terms "hot" and "cold" in reference to sports, but they are terms that everyone knows and understands ... and they absolutely mean something. However, those hot and cold streaks never last, which is why I used the term "temporarily".

Doc will sit anyone if they're not producing the right kind of energy, or not listening to his instructions, or not running the plays as they should be run.

It wasn't a matter of "ill-advised shots" when it came to Glen Davis tonight, it was a matter of the wrong kind of energy, and his attitude being counter-productive to what Doc wanted the team to be doing on the floor.

In those situations, a good coach (like Doc) will sit a player to let them cool off a bit, or put a "break" in that negative energy ... no matter who it is. He's done it with every player on this team, and it's what Big Baby needed tonight.

[guava_wrench]

For those infatuated with Lukes single game +/-, +/- for a single game - in fact, almost any stat for a single game - is not a firm basis for changing lineups.

Just because we went on an 18pt run with Luke in and Baby out doesn't mean we can jump to conclusions that we need to get Luke on the floor more than Baby. That run actually fully accounts for Luke's +/-.

Even the worst teams in the league go on runs. You can't get overly excited about that.

[Bahku]

For those infatuated with Lukes single game +/-, +/- for a single game - in fact, almost any stat for a single game - is not a firm basis for changing lineups.

Just because we went on an 18pt run with Luke in and Baby out doesn't mean we can jump to conclusions that we need to get Luke on the floor more than Baby. That run actually fully accounts for Luke's +/-.

Even the worst teams in the league go on runs. You can't get overly excited about that.

Completely agree ... changing the minutes or rotation because Glen had a bad game, would be very short-sighted. Big Baby has been huge off the bench this year, and IMHO, has been over-producing all year, and would easily get my vote for the 6th Star Award right now. Let's not freak out because of one bad game, and give Glen the same allowances, (to be "off" once-in-a-while), that we would for the rest of the team.