Nate

[Roy H.]

I've been a little disappointed with Nate this year.  In the past, he's shown the ability to distribute and to set up the offense.  This year, though, he hasn't shown much tendency to get others involved.  With him in there, the offense stagnates too much.

I like his energy, hustle, and overall, his shooting.  Next to Delonte, coming off the bench, I think he'll be great.  However, he just hasn't shown many PG skills at all this year, and that's disappointing.

[Chris]

I've been a little disappointed with Nate this year.  In the past, he's shown the ability to distribute and to set up the offense.  This year, though, he hasn't shown much tendency to get others involved.  With him in there, the offense stagnates too much.

I like his energy, hustle, and overall, his shooting.  Next to Delonte, coming off the bench, I think he'll be great.  However, he just hasn't shown many PG skills at all this year, and that's disappointing.

He is what he is.  And that is not a PG.  They need to get him back into his role soon, so he can regain his swagger a bit. 

[vinnie]

Probably nothing out there, but I would like Danny to explore trading Nate. And, I disagree 100 percent with him playing the point. It's not a change of pace, but more like having a guy who has no clue trying to run the team. If Nate is on the floor, then let the captain or Quisy run the team. Nate is completely unable to do that. As for his shooting, he has the worst shooting percentage of all players getting regular time at 43 percent. That is not getting it done. And, he really does nothing else to make up for the poor shooting.

I think this is kind of a narrow-minded way to see Nate.

Nate was meant to share the backcourt with one of Delonte or Rondo. His true shooting % his higher than either Rondo or Marquis, and his assist rate is on par with Darren Collison's.

Rondo is a pass first, drive and kick PG. Nate is a sharp shooter high energy pg, Nate is a good change of pace PG.

He's meant to play next to another guy who can help shoulder the burden of primary ball handler, and ideally he'd be with the second unit. He's not with the second unit, and without Delonte, Pierce is the only guy who has shown he can be a better ballhandler than nate.

Nate can't play the point, pure and simple.

[indeedproceed]

Probably nothing out there, but I would like Danny to explore trading Nate. And, I disagree 100 percent with him playing the point. It's not a change of pace, but more like having a guy who has no clue trying to run the team. If Nate is on the floor, then let the captain or Quisy run the team. Nate is completely unable to do that. As for his shooting, he has the worst shooting percentage of all players getting regular time at 43 percent. That is not getting it done. And, he really does nothing else to make up for the poor shooting.

I think this is kind of a narrow-minded way to see Nate.

Nate was meant to share the backcourt with one of Delonte or Rondo. His true shooting % his higher than either Rondo or Marquis, and his assist rate is on par with Darren Collison's.

Rondo is a pass first, drive and kick PG. Nate is a sharp shooter high energy pg, Nate is a good change of pace PG.

He's meant to play next to another guy who can help shoulder the burden of primary ball handler, and ideally he'd be with the second unit. He's not with the second unit, and without Delonte, Pierce is the only guy who has shown he can be a better ballhandler than nate.

Nate can't play the point, pure and simple.

Its not pure and simple. It is only pure and simple if all you're looking to do is make broad generalizations lacking context that have little if any substance.

Nate is not a great option as a starting point guard. That's pretty pure and simple.

[ssspence]

Should never play another minute of point guard again. He is absolutely horrible at that position and is a huge negative on the court. Would rather take my chances with Quisy than Nate. Right now he can't shoot, play defense or pass. Other than that, however, he is doing a good job. I am starting to see why the Knicks were not too fond of him.

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[vinnie]

Since I am overreacting and simplifying, someone here needs to clearly explain to me why Nate should and can be a backup point guard. What does he do that a point guard should do? How does he distribute the ball? How does he run the offense, etc. etc. etc.?  The guy can get on hot streaks and shoot the lights out, there is no question about that. However, I would much prefer to see Marquis Daniels at that position than Nate. The offense has gotten progressively worse with Nate at the point since Rondo went out, when you would expect it would get better as Nate got more comfortable in the role. When they initially re-signed Nate, I thought it was a good idea, but having watched him this year, I have lost a little of the love I had for him.

[Finkelskyhook]

Should never play another minute of point guard again. He is absolutely horrible at that position and is a huge negative on the court. Would rather take my chances with Quisy than Nate. Right now he can't shoot, play defense or pass. Other than that, however, he is doing a good job. I am starting to see why the Knicks were not too fond of him.

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Never has one word been a more vivid illustration of the absurdity of this thread.

-Our starting PG, who is playing like the best PG in the NBA, has played 2/3rds of the games so far
-We're playing a rookie center with a language barrier meaningful minutes because our centers are injured and "injured"
-Our backup PG has played 5 games
-We have an undersized PF playing most of his minutes at center

We're tied for the second best record in the NBA.

The fact that we lost the second of a back to back is a collossal reason to panic.

Take a bow, Nate.  We're 24-6 because you suck.
 

[Finkelskyhook]

Since I am overreacting and simplifying, someone here needs to clearly explain to me why Nate should and can be a backup point guard. What does he do that a point guard should do? How does he distribute the ball? How does he run the offense, etc. etc. etc.?  The guy can get on hot streaks and shoot the lights out, there is no question about that. However, I would much prefer to see Marquis Daniels at that position than Nate. The offense has gotten progressively worse with Nate at the point since Rondo went out, when you would expect it would get better as Nate got more comfortable in the role. When they initially re-signed Nate, I thought it was a good idea, but having watched him this year, I have lost a little of the love I had for him.

Just a wild guess.  The coaching staff is looking down the bench at the guys who are in uniforms instead of suits and don't see a better option than Nate.

We're 24-6

[snively]

Nate Robinson is a good backup PG.

He just isn't good enough at running an offense to be a full time starter.

He'll be valuable once again once Rondo returns.

Agree with all of this, but if Delonte comes back, and they can get a high quality player for him, I would be all for moving him.  He is certainly not the problem with the team, but he is a very movable asset if Delonte is there to be the backup PG.

Moving Nate for a back-up wing of quality would also allow us to play Marquis at the 1, making him more of an impact player.

I wonder if Sacramento would do Nate/Wafer/pick for Garcia/Head.  Sacramento really needs someone who can put some points in the basket and Nate is a nice upgrade on the Luther Head role.  Garcia would give the C's an off-ball shooter, sort of a Ray Allen lite.  I think West/Garcia/Daniels is a very nice trio to have off the bench.

[Who]

Nate Robinson is a good backup PG.

He just isn't good enough at running an offense to be a full time starter.

He'll be valuable once again once Rondo returns.

Agree with all of this, but if Delonte comes back, and they can get a high quality player for him, I would be all for moving him.  He is certainly not the problem with the team, but he is a very movable asset if Delonte is there to be the backup PG.

Moving Nate for a back-up wing of quality would also allow us to play Marquis at the 1, making him more of an impact player.

I wonder if Sacramento would do Nate/Wafer/pick for Garcia/Head.  Sacramento really needs someone who can put some points in the basket and Nate is a nice upgrade on the Luther Head role.  Garcia would give the C's an off-ball shooter, sort of a Ray Allen lite.  I think West/Garcia/Daniels is a very nice trio to have off the bench.

Sacramento seem very unhappy with Luther Head and Pooh Jeter's play ...

I think they'd love to add a quality backup PG + Geoff Petrie has had strong interest in Nate Robinson in the past back when Nate was with the Knicks.

So yeah, I think it's possible Sacramento would give up something valuable for Nate.

[snively]

Nate Robinson is a good backup PG.

He just isn't good enough at running an offense to be a full time starter.

He'll be valuable once again once Rondo returns.

Agree with all of this, but if Delonte comes back, and they can get a high quality player for him, I would be all for moving him.  He is certainly not the problem with the team, but he is a very movable asset if Delonte is there to be the backup PG.

Moving Nate for a back-up wing of quality would also allow us to play Marquis at the 1, making him more of an impact player.

I wonder if Sacramento would do Nate/Wafer/pick for Garcia/Head.  Sacramento really needs someone who can put some points in the basket and Nate is a nice upgrade on the Luther Head role.  Garcia would give the C's an off-ball shooter, sort of a Ray Allen lite.  I think West/Garcia/Daniels is a very nice trio to have off the bench.

Sacramento seem very unhappy with Luther Head and Pooh Jeter's play ...

I think they'd love to add a quality backup PG + Geoff Petrie has had strong interest in Nate Robinson in the past back when Nate was with the Knicks.

So yeah, I think it's possible Sacramento would give up something valuable for Nate.

What do you think of Garcia?  I haven't seen much of him since I moved from Sacramento a few years ago, but his combination of 3-pt shooting and length has always intrigued me.
 

[greenpride32]

Nate is playing PG to bring up and handle the ball, plain and simple.  He's never going to pass as well as Rondo.  But on the other hand Rondo will never be able to shoot as well as Nate.  Every player has their own strengths and weaknesses; we already know what Nate brings to the table. 

There aren't even that many good PG's in the league.  Can you think of any team that has a good (better than decent) backup PG???

[Who]

Nate Robinson is a good backup PG.

He just isn't good enough at running an offense to be a full time starter.

He'll be valuable once again once Rondo returns.

Agree with all of this, but if Delonte comes back, and they can get a high quality player for him, I would be all for moving him.  He is certainly not the problem with the team, but he is a very movable asset if Delonte is there to be the backup PG.

Moving Nate for a back-up wing of quality would also allow us to play Marquis at the 1, making him more of an impact player.

I wonder if Sacramento would do Nate/Wafer/pick for Garcia/Head.  Sacramento really needs someone who can put some points in the basket and Nate is a nice upgrade on the Luther Head role.  Garcia would give the C's an off-ball shooter, sort of a Ray Allen lite.  I think West/Garcia/Daniels is a very nice trio to have off the bench.

Sacramento seem very unhappy with Luther Head and Pooh Jeter's play ...

I think they'd love to add a quality backup PG + Geoff Petrie has had strong interest in Nate Robinson in the past back when Nate was with the Knicks.

So yeah, I think it's possible Sacramento would give up something valuable for Nate.

What do you think of Garcia?  I haven't seen much of him since I moved from Sacramento a few years ago, but his combination of 3-pt shooting and length has always intrigued me.
 

I haven't watched Sacramento much this season ... but from previous experience:

I like him as a big two guard. An inconsistent but capable defensive player and very good shooter. I'd love to see him on a quality defensive team, I think that would go a long way to evening out his inconsistent D. He'd be a very good backup wing if that happened. One of the better ones in the league.

I'd happily trade Nate for Garcia and use Delonte at the backup PG.

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I would be more interested in Casspi than Garcia though due to Casspi's potential. I think Casspi is a very intriguing two guard. Great size, defensive ability, terrific rebounder, nice well rounded offensive player.

If all goes well, Casspi could be a long term replacement at the two for Ray Allen. A role player who adds 15-16ppg with 5 boards and above average defense who'd fit in beautifully with Rondo's game.

Gracia would add more in the short term. Be the more useful player for this season.

[2short]

Nate is playing PG to bring up and handle the ball, plain and simple.  He's never going to pass as well as Rondo.  But on the other hand Rondo will never be able to shoot as well as Nate.  Every player has their own strengths and weaknesses; we already know what Nate brings to the table. 

There aren't even that many good PG's in the league.  Can you think of any team that has a good (better than decent) backup PG???

LA added one in steve blake
delonte west would be one for us
pg to me is the one posistion that there are a lot of really good players

[Brendan]

What about Nate+filler for Marvin Williams?

Nate next to Joe Johnson would make for a solid back court IMO - Nate is a scoring guard who needs to play with a wing that can create.