Perkins Value

[nickagneta]

Until it becomes clear that he's actually recovered from his knee surgery and can be productive, his trade value is pretty low.  If we trade him, it'll most likely be in the off-season, not prior to the trade deadline.

Rather hard to trade him in the off season given he'll be a free agent.

Sign + trade

Why on earth would any team sign and trade for Perk when he's been injured and probably won't commend any more than the MLE? Makes no sense.

Just because he's been injured doesn't mean he'll be an MLE guy.  He was the starting center on two teams in the finals, one of which won it all.  He's a defensive gem and though not a future HOFer, he is regularly undervalued on this board.

I would argue the exact opposite, that he is highly over-valued on this board.

[Roy H.]

I would argue the exact opposite, that he is highly over-valued on this board.

Possibly, but look at some of the contracts given to defensive centers.  Darko almost got the MLE, and he's terrible.  Haywood got more than the MLE.  Varejao got more than the MLE, as did Dalembert, and Biedrins, and Chandler.  Pryzbilla got at least the MLE, as did Jeff Foster.  Dampier got more than the MLE on his last contract.

I'd put all of those guys in the same relative range as Perk, with some obviously being better than others.  I think the established market for players of that caliber is firmly over the MLE. 

Now, things could change, due to Perk's health and/or the new CBA.  However, as things stand now, I think he's established himself in the above-MLE range.

In terms of what we could get in a trade, who knows?  I'd say he'd probably bring back a draft pick in the middle-third of the first round (even injured and as a pending FA), but that's pure conjecture.

[Chris]

Until it becomes clear that he's actually recovered from his knee surgery and can be productive, his trade value is pretty low.  If we trade him, it'll most likely be in the off-season, not prior to the trade deadline.

Rather hard to trade him in the off season given he'll be a free agent.

Sign + trade

Why on earth would any team sign and trade for Perk when he's been injured and probably won't commend any more than the MLE? Makes no sense.

Just because he's been injured doesn't mean he'll be an MLE guy.  He was the starting center on two teams in the finals, one of which won it all.  He's a defensive gem and though not a future HOFer, he is regularly undervalued on this board.

I would argue the exact opposite, that he is highly over-valued on this board.

Look at what Brendan Haywood and Drew Gooden got last year.  Unless you think Perkins is going to not come back this season, or come back and be dreadful, I can't believe you would not think he would get more than those guys on the open market.

[BballTim]

Until it becomes clear that he's actually recovered from his knee surgery and can be productive, his trade value is pretty low.  If we trade him, it'll most likely be in the off-season, not prior to the trade deadline.

Rather hard to trade him in the off season given he'll be a free agent.

Sign + trade

Why on earth would any team sign and trade for Perk when he's been injured and probably won't commend any more than the MLE? Makes no sense.

  Players like JO or Brad Miller get the MLE. Starting centers on contending teams generally get more.

[clover]

I would argue the exact opposite, that he is highly over-valued on this board.

Possibly, but look at some of the contracts given to defensive centers.  Darko almost got the MLE, and he's terrible.  Haywood got more than the MLE.  Varejao got more than the MLE, as did Dalembert, and Biedrins, and Chandler.  Pryzbilla got at least the MLE, as did Jeff Foster.  Dampier got more than the MLE on his last contract.

I'd put all of those guys in the same relative range as Perk, with some obviously being better than others.  I think the established market for players of that caliber is firmly over the MLE. 

Now, things could change, due to Perk's health and/or the new CBA.  However, as things stand now, I think he's established himself in the above-MLE range.

In terms of what we could get in a trade, who knows?  I'd say he'd probably bring back a draft pick in the middle-third of the first round (even injured and as a pending FA), but that's pure conjecture.

I'd put Perk above all those guys, Roy--though I do really like Varejao.

[clover]

Until it becomes clear that he's actually recovered from his knee surgery and can be productive, his trade value is pretty low.  If we trade him, it'll most likely be in the off-season, not prior to the trade deadline.

Rather hard to trade him in the off season given he'll be a free agent.

Sign + trade

Why on earth would any team sign and trade for Perk when he's been injured and probably won't commend any more than the MLE? Makes no sense.

Just because he's been injured doesn't mean he'll be an MLE guy.  He was the starting center on two teams in the finals, one of which won it all.  He's a defensive gem and though not a future HOFer, he is regularly undervalued on this board.

I would argue the exact opposite, that he is highly over-valued on this board.

You might, Nick, but you're the same guy who thinks Perk is at the MLE level.

[nickagneta]

RRoy hinted at why I think he will be an MLE player. Injuries and the new CBA. Let's remember, as soon as the NBA crowns a champion we could vbe looking at a lockout that completely transforms the values of players on the open market and any way you slice it, that value isn't going up for players of Perk's abilities and injury history(plantar facitis, multiple shoulder separations and problems and now a knee).

The financial world as we know it in the NBA is going to change after this season. Assuming sign and trades for players at their current value during this CBA and projecting those values into a new CBA is a mistake in my opinion. If Perk is currently an $8-10 million per year starting center, and I personally do not think he is, but if he is, come the new CBA, I think he will become a $5-6 million player for less years.

That is what Stern and the owners are shooting for and I think they will outlast the players in this regard.

[Roy H.]

RRoy hinted at why I think he will be an MLE player. Injuries and the new CBA. Let's remember, as soon as the NBA crowns a champion we could vbe looking at a lockout that completely transforms the values of players on the open market and any way you slice it, that value isn't going up for players of Perk's abilities and injury history(plantar facitis, multiple shoulder separations and problems and now a knee).

The financial world as we know it in the NBA is going to change after this season. Assuming sign and trades for players at their current value during this CBA and projecting those values into a new CBA is a mistake in my opinion. If Perk is currently an $8-10 million per year starting center, and I personally do not think he is, but if he is, come the new CBA, I think he will become a $5-6 million player for less years.

That is what Stern and the owners are shooting for and I think they will outlast the players in this regard.

I think the new CBA will be interesting.  It could very well go the direction you're suggesting, where owners show some fiscal restraint and contracts come down.  This would be my expectation, at least initially.

However, let's say the league retains a "soft" cap, but limits contract length and allows teams to remove bad contracts from their cap.  In such a scenario, could we then see owners be even more reckless with their dollars, because mistakes are less painful?  In such a scenario, the number of bad contracts would actually increase, rather than decrease.

It's a topic for another thread, but it's interesting to ponder.  I thought for sure that this past off-season the owners would almost collude (or actually collude) to keep salaries down in advance of the lock-out.  Instead, they couldn't control themselves, spending like drunken sailors on mediocre-to-crappy players like Amir Johnson, Drew Gooden, John Salmons, Travis Outlaw, and Darko Milicic.

[wdleehi]

He is worth more to this team as a player then he is in a trade.

[nickagneta]

He is worth more to this team as a player then he is in a trade.

TP...I agree 100% with this.

[xmuscularghandix]

He is worth more to this team as a player then he is in a trade.

TP...I agree 100% with this.

I agree as well. Kendrick Perkins is an extremely important piece on this team as constructed, on any other team he’s just a defensive minded Center who turns the ball over a lot.

[Jon]

If things work out well, Kendrick will have his time limited to 15 mpg or so this season in an effort to not rush him back.  If that happens, he won't have the stats to command big money on the FA market and the C's will hopefully be able to hold onto him for  reasonable price next offseason. 

[Celtic#9]

Oh you must be misunderstanding me. I didn't say trade him I was just wondering what you all thought. Personally, idk. I just wanted to hear someone convince me one way or the other. Now that i think he would be really hard to trade since he is a free agent after this year. I mostly just wanted to know what you thought. 

[PosImpos]

Until it becomes clear that he's actually recovered from his knee surgery and can be productive, his trade value is pretty low.  If we trade him, it'll most likely be in the off-season, not prior to the trade deadline.

Rather hard to trade him in the off season given he'll be a free agent.

Sign + trade

Why on earth would any team sign and trade for Perk when he's been injured and probably won't commend any more than the MLE? Makes no sense.

Um...as others have pointed out, have you SEEN some of the contracts that have been thrown around, especially at big guys, recently?

[thirstyboots18]

I don't know what Perk is worth to other teams, but I agree that he is worth much more than we could get for him to the Celtics.  As long as Howard is in the East, and now that Stoudemire is in NY, Perk is more important than ever.  He is the most effective Center guarding Howard one-on-one...and, like it or not, it looks like the Magic is one of our major rivals in the East.  Last night the Magic took it to the Spurs  to end the Spurs 10 game winning streak.