When can we call the Wafer chance a mistake?

[2short]

Yeah he only played 4 minutes but the effort, teamwork and even body language this guy puts into his game makes me wonder.  Is he just on team for a trade at this point?  A healthy Bradley has to help more.  Von Wafer doesn't seem to have much of any relationship with anyone on team.  Appears to be he is just collecting a paycheck and hates being on celtics.  Anyone notice the foul he committed near end of game?  No reason for it, sort of lazy thing to do OR he wanted a chance to get ball and shoot.

[wdleehi]

If his contract becomes fully guaranteed. 

[pearljammer10]

I mean hes the 12th man so im not expecting much... Maybe hes got an attitude problem, but he may start clicking at some point? We'll see, not really a big pro or con either way.

[BballTim]

If his contract becomes fully guaranteed. 

 Yes, you can't call a non-guaranteed vet min player a mistake. It's like calling the 60th pick in the draft a bust.

[LilRip]

If his contract becomes fully guaranteed. 

 Yes, you can't call a non-guaranteed vet min player a mistake. It's like calling the 60th pick in the draft a bust.

wonderful point. TP!

[Chris]

When he gets cut.  So far he has exceeded my expectations.  Wafer is a 13th man.  He wasn't good enough to stay on his European team last year.  The fact that he has played (and played reasonably well) rotation minutes this season has been a huge plus.

[jdub1660]

When he gets cut.  So far he has exceeded my expectations.  Wafer is a 13th man.  He wasn't good enough to stay on his European team last year.  The fact that he has played (and played reasonably well) rotation minutes this season has been a huge plus.

TP I totally agree. He hasn't cracked an active rotation yet, but the few spurts I have seen his shot seemed fluid and his handle was pretty well. He made a jumper one on play. Next play he drove in and made a nice pass to an open Celtic. I would like to see more play from him, but so far this team has struggled to hold leads even against the sorriest of teams. Maybe we can get a blowout against a team like the Pistons or Bobcats, then we can see Wafer go to work.

[raynman]

I just hate it because he eats up Bradley's playing time... even the garbagr minutes..

[pearljammer10]

Bradleys played in like 3 full practices... I dont understand why people think he would help the team right now. Let him get some practices under his belt and see what happens after he gets some conditioning on his ankle... Doc wouldnt be playing Wafer over Bradley if Wafer wasnt playing hard than him in practice.

[greenpride32]

Does anyone know what the stipulations are on Wafer's contract?  Can we cut him at any time without risk or does it become guaranteed after a certain criteria is met (ie certain date or games played)?

In fairness to Wafer he hasn't gotten a chance to prove himself one way or another.  But for whatever reason he does not look comfortable on the floor at all so I'm not terribly optimistic.  Bradley is not ready to play.  If not for injuries to West and JON he would be at the D-League by now.

[indeedproceed]

When he gets cut.  So far he has exceeded my expectations.  Wafer is a 13th man.  He wasn't good enough to stay on his European team last year.  The fact that he has played (and played reasonably well) rotation minutes this season has been a huge plus.

TP I totally agree. He hasn't cracked an active rotation yet, but the few spurts I have seen his shot seemed fluid and his handle was pretty well. He made a jumper one on play. Next play he drove in and made a nice pass to an open Celtic. I would like to see more play from him, but so far this team has struggled to hold leads even against the sorriest of teams. Maybe we can get a blowout against a team like the Pistons or Bobcats, then we can see Wafer go to work.

I'm not sure I'm as "on board" as you guys, but Wafer has averaged around 5 minutes in the games he's actually been in. It would be one thing if he was an every night player that was getting 10 per (as opposed to PER, which is stupid), but he's so far back on the depth chart, that I don't see any judgment as valid yet.

For right now I'll sit firmly in Danny and Doc's camp..the second he no longer deserves a rooster spot, I have faith they'll cut him.

[Who]

When he gets cut.  So far he has exceeded my expectations.  Wafer is a 13th man.  He wasn't good enough to stay on his European team last year.  The fact that he has played (and played reasonably well) rotation minutes this season has been a huge plus.

TP I totally agree. He hasn't cracked an active rotation yet, but the few spurts I have seen his shot seemed fluid and his handle was pretty well. He made a jumper one on play. Next play he drove in and made a nice pass to an open Celtic. I would like to see more play from him, but so far this team has struggled to hold leads even against the sorriest of teams. Maybe we can get a blowout against a team like the Pistons or Bobcats, then we can see Wafer go to work.

I'm not sure I'm as "on board" as you guys, but Wafer has averaged around 5 minutes in the games he's actually been in. It would be one thing if he was an every night player that was getting 10 per (as opposed to PER, which is stupid), but he's so far back on the depth chart, that I don't see any judgment as valid yet.

For right now I'll sit firmly in Danny and Doc's camp..the second he no longer deserves a rooster spot, I have faith they'll cut him.

Agreed -- not enough playing time to judge Von Wafer.

He has only played three games in which he got more than five minutes and only two games in which he got 10+ minutes. That isn't enough court time for Von Wafer to get comfortable out there + give a good account of himself.

[xmuscularghandix]

A 12th man with an attitude problem is not worth having on the team.

Unlike Scalabrine who is a multiple time 12th Man of The Year winner.

[moiso]

It's not a mistake.  He hasn't gotten enough time to get in a rhythm, and yet every time he shoots a three I think it's going in.  He looks far more comfortable than Bradley at this point.

I love some of the things about Bradley, but I'm guessing he will never be a point guard.  It's early, but guys like Gabe Pruitt and Orien Greene looked far more comfortable dribbling the ball.

[CDawg834]

Does anyone know what the stipulations are on Wafer's contract?  Can we cut him at any time without risk or does it become guaranteed after a certain criteria is met (ie certain date or games played)?

In fairness to Wafer he hasn't gotten a chance to prove himself one way or another.  But for whatever reason he does not look comfortable on the floor at all so I'm not terribly optimistic.  Bradley is not ready to play.  If not for injuries to West and JON he would be at the D-League by now.

Wafer's still under a non-guaranteed contract for now...I don't know the exact date, but I believe all contracts become guaranteed for the season sometime in January.  Wafer may have some built in clauses for partial guarantees, but those are usually related to his pay, rather than his spot on the roster.  The C's would have to decide by January whether to keep him for the season (his salary for the year becomes guaranteed too) or cut him loose.