Why doesn't the second unit offense

[Spicoli]

Run through Nate Robinson instead of Glen Davis? Nate is a superior scorer to Davis, yet the offense always ends up being Davis jumper or Davis post. BBD is not a good passer, and cannot get other people involved. He missed a wide open Marquis Daniels under the basket and instead forced a contested jump shot. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i personally feel as though the second unit offense is very ineffective when it's being run through BBD. Thoughts?

[Fafnir]

Nate does handle the ball, what has been happening is that teams are conceding Davis's 18 foot shot by helping off him.

Unless Davis is down low he looks to shoot rather than pass. In the post he's much better about at looking for cutters and the other big.

[pearljammer10]

I think it is because BBD is a pretty selfish player. This doesnt mean hes bad or playing poorly. I will admit I really dont like BBD but will also admit he is having an incredibly solid year off the bench and is playing really well...

That being said, he is very selfish on offense. He hardly ever passes the ball when he gets it, especially when he is in the post. If he gets the ball down low, forget about anything running because he is just going to try to get to the hoop. On the jump shot however, he is usually pretty open when he takes it, and makes it at a high percent so Im ok with that.

[Spicoli]

BBD is shooting the ball relatively well, but it's Nate who is the superior scorer and player. If somebody is going to take 16 shots off the bench, it should be Nate IMO, because at least he has the ability to go for 30.

[guava_wrench]

If guys are open in spots that are in their range, they should shoot. If defenders collapse the lane to stop Nate's penetration, you want Nate to force a shot instead of hitting the open man?

That doesn't sound like smart offense to me.

[ben]

agree that davis takes far too many shots. 

[xmuscularghandix]

I like that Nate Robinson double pick and roll with both Semih and Baby. I wouldn’t mind posting up Semih and having people cut either, he’s a very good passer.

[Jevi]

I'm losing patience with Doc and Danny involving Glen Davis. We never used to lose 20 point leads before the crying game.  He is the same player, with the same bad effects. He gets in the game, we trade baskets with the opponent til we start missing shots, turning the ball over, with no rebounding. So what does Doc do? He subs the second unit with the first, while keeping Baby on the floor.  Toronto still got it down to 6. It didn't help, shocker! Gee, I wonder if these same five that ends games this season can win the Finals. That's right this same five couldn't even defend a 13 point lead last year. When are we gonna get a clue that Baby is the  problem? What is it gonna take? Will it take him getting yelled at by KG again? Will it take losing a 10 game lock on the top seed as a starter? How about 13 point lead in another game 7! Nate looked great last game with the starters, remind me of Rasheed all last year playing without Baby.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091225/BOSORL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
Remember life without Baby, were dominating. Let me take you to the end of that 23-5 start, when Baby returned from his hand injury, enjoy, because we lost the next 3 after he stupidly got his regular minutes back. Sorry Sheldon.

[Greenbean]

I'm losing patience with Doc and Danny involving Glen Davis. We never used to lose 20 point leads before the crying game.  He is the same player, with the same bad effects. He gets in the game, we trade baskets with the opponent til we start missing shots, turning the ball over, with no rebounding. So what does Doc do? He subs the second unit with the first, while keeping Baby on the floor.  Toronto still got it down to 6. It didn't help, shocker! Gee, I wonder if these same five that ends games this season can win the Finals. That's right this same five couldn't even defend a 13 point lead last year. When are we gonna get a clue that Baby is the  problem? What is it gonna take? Will it take him getting yelled at by KG again? Will it take losing a 10 game lock on the top seed as a starter? How about 13 point lead in another game 7! Nate looked great last game with the starters, remind me of Rasheed all last year playing without Baby.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091225/BOSORL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
Remember life without Baby, were dominating. Let me take you to the end of that 23-5 start, when Baby returned from his hand injury, enjoy, because we lost the next 3 after he stupidly got his regular minutes back. Sorry Sheldon.

So they played .500 ball because of Glen Davis? All that time, all they had to do was not play BBD and they would have steamrolled through the league? Man...YOU should coach the Celtics. I dont think so.

We got hurt.

You think we lose leads this year because of one player? Baby has played his role very well this year. The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes. Maybe you're not a Davis fan but it is shortsighted to say we are losing leads this year because of him. It is even crazer to pin last years regular season's struggles on him alone.

[Jevi]

So they played .500 ball because of Glen Davis? All that time, all they had to do was not play BBD and they would have steamrolled through the league? Man...YOU should coach the Celtics. I dont think so.

We got hurt.

You think we lose leads this year because of one player? Baby has played his role very well this year. The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes. Maybe you're not a Davis fan but it is shortsighted to say we are losing leads this year because of him. It is even crazer to pin last years regular season's struggles on him alone.

Right, because Baby doesn't have anything to do with comebacks. Rasheed isn't here to be blamed so blame the injured new guy. Doesn't matter if 82games hasn't been Baby's supporter. Erden is completely the reason this year. Baby is the victim then I guess. This is a one and half year study, and Erden just got here. I have seen plenty enough to not like Baby, but it's based on his effect on the court. I'm not thrilled with Paul's aging game, but I respect him for his winning results. He gets it done along with the other 3. He doesn't deserve to be paired with this. What am I suppose to like a dilemma that has been awful for this team ever since every player at his position had to be injured just for him to get on the court. No thanks.(edited personal attack), who'll keep going down the line to blame everyone but this mirage. Keep the excuses coming.

edit - no personal attacks. wdleehi

[Greenbean]

So they played .500 ball because of Glen Davis? All that time, all they had to do was not play BBD and they would have steamrolled through the league? Man...YOU should coach the Celtics. I dont think so.

We got hurt.

You think we lose leads this year because of one player? Baby has played his role very well this year. The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes. Maybe you're not a Davis fan but it is shortsighted to say we are losing leads this year because of him. It is even crazer to pin last years regular season's struggles on him alone.

Right, because Baby doesn't have anything to do with comebacks. Rasheed isn't here to be blamed so blame the injured new guy. Doesn't matter if 82games hasn't been Baby's supporter. Erden is completely the reason this year. Baby is the victim then I guess. This is a one and half year study, and Erden just got here. I have seen plenty enough to not like Baby, but it's based on his effect on the court. I'm not thrilled with Paul's aging game, but I respect him for his winning results. He gets it done along with the other 3. He doesn't deserve to be paired with this. What am I suppose to like a dilemma that has been awful for this team ever since every player at his position had to be injured just for him to get on the court. No thanks. You can get on your kneepads with the rest of his supporters, who'll keep going down the line to blame everyone but this mirage. Keep the excuses coming.

You're dillusional bro. Blaming one guy who plays a supporting role on a team for everything that goes wrong is crazy. It wasnt just Sheed last year either. He is a flawed player but for a bench guy, he brings positives to the court when he plays within himself. I dont even know what you are talking about with injuries. Who had to get hurt for Davis to play? Not following there.

It is clear that you do not like him but how can you not see that there are other factors that go into losing leads. Davis didnt play great last night but still had 18 points. Since Doc has been going to the 2nd unit all in at once, the biggest dropoff is Shaq to Erden, not KG to BBD. That is why I think the 2nd unit has struggled of late. But whatever. You will never agree.

Ill ignore the kneepads comment and respectfully end this discussion.

[wdleehi]

With the 2nd offensive unit, I want the open guy to take the shot.


There is no one on that unit that should force the action like there are on the first unit.

[Jevi]

You're dillusional bro. Blaming one guy who plays a supporting role on a team for everything that goes wrong is crazy. It wasnt just Sheed last year either. He is a flawed player but for a bench guy, he brings positives to the court when he plays within himself. I dont even know what you are talking about with injuries. Who had to get hurt for Davis to play? Not following there.

It is clear that you do not like him but how can you not see that there are other factors that go into losing leads. Davis didnt play great last night but still had 18 points. Since Doc has been going to the 2nd unit all in at once, the biggest dropoff is Shaq to Erden, not KG to BBD. That is why I think the 2nd unit has struggled of late. But whatever. You will never agree.

Ill ignore the kneepads comment and respectfully end this discussion.

The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes.

Baby was behind KG,Powe,and even Scalabrine on the depth chart in 008-09 for a reason was my point. He was a garbage player then and is still a garbage player now. I mentioned players who had benefited like Nate and Rasheed who upped their game and our point margin playing without him. I could tell you to glance at 82 games but those are only stats that have proven Baby on the wrong side of aiding teammates. I agree with the Erden drop off from Shaq, but if Doc changes the units leaving Baby on the floor, why are you still not rebounding, defending, or scoring easily. This team was and still is capable of routing every night. One player can make a difference, why I harp on Kwame Brown as Baby's equal.

I'll ignore the dillusional comment and respectfully accept the end of this discussion....now.
 

[wdleehi]

You're dillusional bro. Blaming one guy who plays a supporting role on a team for everything that goes wrong is crazy. It wasnt just Sheed last year either. He is a flawed player but for a bench guy, he brings positives to the court when he plays within himself. I dont even know what you are talking about with injuries. Who had to get hurt for Davis to play? Not following there.

It is clear that you do not like him but how can you not see that there are other factors that go into losing leads. Davis didnt play great last night but still had 18 points. Since Doc has been going to the 2nd unit all in at once, the biggest dropoff is Shaq to Erden, not KG to BBD. That is why I think the 2nd unit has struggled of late. But whatever. You will never agree.

Ill ignore the kneepads comment and respectfully end this discussion.

The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes.

Baby was behind KG,Powe,and even Scalabrine on the depth chart in 008-09 for a reason was my point. He was a garbage player then and is still a garbage player now. I mentioned players who had benefited like Nate and Rasheed who upped their game and our point margin playing without him. I could tell you to glance at 82 games but those are only stats that have proven Baby on the wrong side of aiding teammates. I agree with the Erden drop off from Shaq, but if Doc changes the units leaving Baby on the floor, why are you still not rebounding, defending, or scoring easily. This team was and still is capable of routing every night. One player can make a difference, why I harp on Kwame Brown as Baby's equal.

I'll ignore the dillusional comment and respectfully accept the end of this discussion....now.
 

You mean he was a 2nd rookie?


Davis is a strong bench player that has flaws.

That's why he is a bench player.  He is playing more minutes right now because two other important big men are out. 

He is a better player then Scali and Powe (who has yet to show he has fully recovered) right now. 

[Greenbean]

You're dillusional bro. Blaming one guy who plays a supporting role on a team for everything that goes wrong is crazy. It wasnt just Sheed last year either. He is a flawed player but for a bench guy, he brings positives to the court when he plays within himself. I dont even know what you are talking about with injuries. Who had to get hurt for Davis to play? Not following there.

It is clear that you do not like him but how can you not see that there are other factors that go into losing leads. Davis didnt play great last night but still had 18 points. Since Doc has been going to the 2nd unit all in at once, the biggest dropoff is Shaq to Erden, not KG to BBD. That is why I think the 2nd unit has struggled of late. But whatever. You will never agree.

Ill ignore the kneepads comment and respectfully end this discussion.

The second unit is flawed with Semih Erden playing minutes.

Baby was behind KG,Powe,and even Scalabrine on the depth chart in 008-09 for a reason was my point. He was a garbage player then and is still a garbage player now. I mentioned players who had benefited like Nate and Rasheed who upped their game and our point margin playing without him. I could tell you to glance at 82 games but those are only stats that have proven Baby on the wrong side of aiding teammates. I agree with the Erden drop off from Shaq, but if Doc changes the units leaving Baby on the floor, why are you still not rebounding, defending, or scoring easily. This team was and still is capable of routing every night. One player can make a difference, why I harp on Kwame Brown as Baby's equal.

I'll ignore the dillusional comment and respectfully accept the end of this discussion....now.
 

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011BOS2.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011BOS1.HTM

These stats look pretty favorable to me. According to 82 games, it looks like Nate and Erden are the weak links on the 2nd unit.