Espn rankings

[reelbig4]

Can't believe they put Miami over Boston, this guys are nuts.

[2short]

what else can they do
10 hr special on lebron's choice,  most experts from espn were not only coming up with them winning a championship but how many they could win and where the heat would rank as all time great team

[reelbig4]

Celtics beat them twice and it's not enough?, can't wait for Boston to sweep the season series.

[Bankshot]

and LA is behind the Celtics.  So they have two teams with better records behind Miami. LOL

[nba is the worst]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

[Greenbean]

I am a sucker for power rankings myself. You must be referring to the Hollinger rankings which is based on a formula. It is intended to reflect NO bias or opinion. So those "guys" didnt put the Heat over the Celts.

Here is the opinion based rankings from last week.


http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

Celts 2 behind only LA.

This weeks havent been posted yet.

That being said I wouldnt mind a couple of dominant wire to wire blowouts that would put us atop the Hollinger rankings!

[reelbig4]

This was based on Hollinger's, anyway still makes me wonder.

[footey]

With the Lakers' loss last night to the Suns, Stein will rank us either first or second (behind the undefeated Hornets) today in his new weekly poll.

[Greenbean]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

Yes very flawed. I think the first couple of years he had this, it did a pretty good job of predicting the best team in the NBA. However, there might have been some luck involved there. He needs to relook at his method.

[nba is the worst]

With the Lakers' loss last night to the Suns, Stein will rank us either first or second (behind the undefeated Hornets) today in his new weekly poll.

Spurs should be 2nd, since they have just 1 loss to the undefeated Hornets, vs the Celtics having the Cavs and Mavs losses

[nba is the worst]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

Yes very flawed. I think the first couple of years he had this, it did a pretty good job of predicting the best team in the NBA. However, there might have been some luck involved there. He needs to relook at his method.

I agree - a few tweaks are in order.

I would add a more complex evaluation of schedule strength, since 2 teams with a below .500 record after 10 games can be far different depending on their schedules.

Additionally, weighting blowouts vs poor teams so highly doesn't make sense.

[Fafnir]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

Yes very flawed. I think the first couple of years he had this, it did a pretty good job of predicting the best team in the NBA. However, there might have been some luck involved there. He needs to relook at his method.

The first couple of years it also had a decent sample size. Things will level out once SoS and the sample gets sufficient. Even now you can see its slowly getting the top teams in the league ranked in some order.

[paul]

I am a sucker for power rankings myself. You must be referring to the Hollinger rankings which is based on a formula. It is intended to reflect NO bias or opinion. So those "guys" didnt put the Heat over the Celts.

Here is the opinion based rankings from last week.


http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

Celts 2 behind only LA.

This weeks havent been posted yet.

That being said I wouldnt mind a couple of dominant wire to wire blowouts that would put us atop the Hollinger rankings!

Well said.  No one would ever consider manipulating a formula, plus, numbers are always objective and human beings never are.

[Greenbean]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

Yes very flawed. I think the first couple of years he had this, it did a pretty good job of predicting the best team in the NBA. However, there might have been some luck involved there. He needs to relook at his method.

The first couple of years it also had a decent sample size. Things will level out once SoS and the sample gets sufficient. Even now you can see its slowly getting the top teams in the league ranked in some order.

Well last year he had alot of teams over the Lakers and Celtics if i remember correctly.

It would be nice for his model to go a layer deeper to analyze teams performances against good competition. In other words factor in some kind of relation to margin of victory over teams over .500.

[Fafnir]

ESPN has two sets of rankings (Hollinger's math-based model with daily updates and Stein's subjective one), and the Celtics are on top of the Heat in Stein's (2nd overall to the Lakers (last week - they haven't updated the page yet but will today):

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

It just proves Hollinger's model is seriously flawed (SOS is just raw W-L, with no factors such as a 2nd level W-L).

Yes very flawed. I think the first couple of years he had this, it did a pretty good job of predicting the best team in the NBA. However, there might have been some luck involved there. He needs to relook at his method.

The first couple of years it also had a decent sample size. Things will level out once SoS and the sample gets sufficient. Even now you can see its slowly getting the top teams in the league ranked in some order.

Well last year he had alot of teams over the Lakers and Celtics if i remember correctly.

It would be nice for his model to go a layer deeper to analyze teams performances against good competition. In other words factor in some kind of relation to margin of victory over teams over .500.

Since when is the "model" supposed to predict the finals participants everytime?

It already factors in strength of schedule and margin of victory, to add yet another factor in attempt to "conform" to people's expectations is poor model making. Similar to what the BCS has tried to do.