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NBA Technical Fouls
« on: November 12, 2010, 08:00:12 AM »

Offline Larry Pistol

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I'm sure all of you guys on CB noticed the Technical Foul that Nate received last night in the First Quarter for simply walking away after a foul on House and shrugging his shoulders. From what I saw, after he fouled House, he appeared to look at Doc and walk away from the spot of the foul. In the process, while his arms were still by his sides (not raised in the slightest bit) he faced his palms upward while shrugging his shoulders and looking at Doc. He did not do this to the ref or to House.

I understand that "putting your palms in the air" is now a technical but that was completely absurd. And to top it off, later in the game, Lebron got whistled for a foul. After which, he proceeded to talk AT the ref, almost yelling at him trying to plead his case. Under the new rule, that warrants a TECHNICAL!

David Stern has done some great things for the NBA and I appreciate most of his decisions. However this is by far the worst rule he has ever put into commission. And as we saw last night, it doesn't apply to super stars, just like so many other rules. It's ridiculous.

I understand that the refs don't need to be hassled after every call by mammoths of humans towering two feet over them, but come one Stern. Maybe if the refs made better calls, more CONSISTENT calls, this wouldn't happen. At least it wouldn't happen as much. At the end of the season there needs to be an NBA referee analysis where all refs are graded. I think that is the only way to move on from this.

What do you guys think?

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 08:23:05 AM »

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The technical on nateI can live with, it wasn't unwarranted, just a very strict interpretation. But, as you point out, the inconsistency - even within a single game - is a problem.

Yes, when lebron whined and complained directly at the ref it was far, far worse than nate's transgression. But no call on lebron.

Hmmmm. I wonder why not?
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Re: NBA Technical Fouls
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 08:43:24 AM »

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Superstars get favored treatment, it's no news. I thought our superstardom can at least balance off some of theirs. Obviously not the case.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 08:56:23 AM »

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I agree on all counts. Nate's T was bogus. Dumb foul, but even dumber T.

Any time Lebron gets called for a foul, or thinks he gets fouled, his reactions are far more disrespecting than anything Nate did. He has his own set of rules. It makes seeing him hit the side of the backboard with a 3 attempt when his team desperately needs it so much more satisfying. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 09:11:02 AM »

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The technical on nateI can live with, it wasn't unwarranted, just a very strict interpretation. But, as you point out, the inconsistency - even within a single game - is a problem.

Yes, when lebron whined and complained directly at the ref it was far, far worse than nate's transgression. But no call on lebron.

This is the problem with the "rules" in the NBA, is there is too much left to the discretion of the referees.  The game should be allowed to be played good and hard, and if the NBA wants to do something about player's attitudes, it could fine them instead of this ridiculous tech rule (ie: the next day after reviewing tape of the game).
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 09:43:45 AM »

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Superstars get favored treatment, it's no news. I thought our superstardom can at least balance off some of theirs. Obviously not the case.

Actually, KG got away with what should have been a T in the second half.  He was going up for I think an alley-oop and Bosh gave him a shove from behind (going off memory with this so I might be a bit off on the play).  He screamed at the ref for a foul and punched his fist into the air (which is clearly listed under the new rules).  No whistle, and no T on Garnett.

At least the superstar rule worked for both teams last night.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 09:59:28 AM »

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Superstars get favored treatment, it's no news. I thought our superstardom can at least balance off some of theirs. Obviously not the case.

Actually, KG got away with what should have been a T in the second half.  He was going up for I think an alley-oop and Bosh gave him a shove from behind (going off memory with this so I might be a bit off on the play).  He screamed at the ref for a foul and punched his fist into the air (which is clearly listed under the new rules).  No whistle, and no T on Garnett.

At least the superstar rule worked for both teams last night.
Oh yeah the C's starters were whining about as much as LeBron. No reason Nate should have gotten the technical.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 10:10:46 AM »

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I think there should be a different kind of punishment for comlplianing. there should be different implications that have no impact on the game score but if a player just wont shut up they can get thrown out. Maybe it is a no free throw technical. If you get 2, you have to sit for 5 minutes. If you get the 3rd, you get tossed. These would be counted seperately from other techs.

That was just a quick idea. Anyone have any other thoughts?

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2010, 08:07:08 PM »

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What about that flagrant on SHAQ......odd to say the least...they are out of control...or want too much control,,it is now the refs way or nothing...and if everyone, or anyone complains, the refs will go on strike....The players are here for the refs to display their mastery of the game...Thanks to Stern-O...

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 08:18:46 PM »

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The funny thing about star treatment in the NBA is that it is a doctrine that everyone knows exists yet has never been in writing. It is a given, based on how referees whistle, that veterans and stars are given preference in so called 50/50 situations.

However, this understanding the officiating seem to have does not always play like such. The extent of protection referees give you is also based on reputation. Over the course of Rasheed Wallace's career, he tarnished his reputation. While he was absolutely a star, he argued with referees and hardly held back through his demonstrative body language.

And last but not least, we see ref's like Joey Crawford that seem to have an ingrained bias toward certain teams and players. So no matter how much you deserve the call to go in your favor, a referee like that can not only rule against you, but effect the outcome of the game. It's no shock that most polls list the NBA as the league with the biggest officiating problem. Some may want an overhaul with new referees, who'd walk into their job with a clean slate. But does that solve the root problem, of being a league that by its nature is a game whose interpretation of rules are often arbitrary and subjective?

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 08:49:40 PM »

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Call everyone the same, "Stars" and rookies, a foul is a foul, a charge, a block..all the same, set a standard that is easy to see and understand, same for everyone.....You know why the refs don't want that..then they won't be in charge..it won't be THEIR game anymore...you won't have to kiss up to them, they won't be able to play favs anymore...see, it is all based on control..the UNION they have ect...that is the problem....


  Call the game the same for everyone, and then the only thing that separetes you is your skills..or lack of them, the game will be the way it should be, and the refs will be who they should be. Traffic cops, ushers....!

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 09:09:33 PM »

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Call everyone the same, "Stars" and rookies, a foul is a foul, a charge, a block..all the same, set a standard that is easy to see and understand, same for everyone.....You know why the refs don't want that..then they won't be in charge..it won't be THEIR game anymore...you won't have to kiss up to them, they won't be able to play favs anymore...see, it is all based on control..the UNION they have ect...that is the problem....


  Call the game the same for everyone, and then the only thing that separetes you is your skills..or lack of them, the game will be the way it should be, and the refs will be who they should be. Traffic cops, ushers....!

I agree fully, and would add that another reason it won't happen is that Stern doesn't want to see his precious cash cows (LeBrick, Kobe) be "hindered."

Of course I'm biased toward Boston, but last night's C's-Heat game was the clearest evidence yet of unfair officiating -- Nate's T compared with no T for LeBrick's actions, LeBrick being able to run full steam into the paint and never get called for a charge, Bosh not getting called for pushing Rondo on Rondo's dunk, House not getting a T for his reaction to being called for a blocking foul on Pierce ... and that's probably just the tip of the iceberg from that game.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 09:24:30 PM »

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Something that is a foul is the first quarter should be a foul late in the fourth quarter in a close game.  That is as important as not favoring stars in creating a perception that reffing is fair.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 09:33:58 PM »

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I could see a rule against intimidating behavior towards officials.  But this seems to be a rule against players expressing themselves about foul calls, and I think that's wrong in too many ways to list.  It goes against the tradition of basketball;  basketball is a game of free spirits, a game where the athletes themselves define the game and set the tone, where there is still room for individuality, where the sport itself is ultimately a form of expression.  When we think of the great players, we think, above all, about their STYLE.  Dr. J vs. Larry Bird:  that was a contrast of two human beings expressing their skills, their personalities, even their ways of looking at the world, on the court.  Basketball is Paul Pierce, he of the deceptive moves and personal grit, against Lebron James, the prefab star.  It's about a team ethos against a team with an overblown sense of entitlement.  It's not like NFL football, where everything seems sliced and diced and every player is judged by how well he fits into a slot.  Basketball players create their own slots.

I don't doubt that player went too far in harassing the refs, and maybe a rule to calm that down made sense.  But this rule itself goes way too far.  It makes the refs Rulers of the court. They should never be that.  

And really, it's very insulting to the players.  These are grown men being told they cannot talk, being treated like kids in grammar school.  I don't understand why fans aren't outraged by this.  What ever happened to the old idea that we are 'living in a free country'?  Does no one believe in that at all, anymore.  Yes, I know, there's a contradictory saw that says 'a workplace is not a democracy',  which is also valid to a degree.  Just because you enter a workplace doesn't mean you lose your freedom as soon as you walk through the door.   Restrictions on freedom in the workplace should only be as NECESSARY.  This no-arguing rule goes way too far.

The rule about logos, eg. Rondo's headband, is equally ridiculous.  I think fans ought to let the NBA know, every chance they get, that we don't like these impositions on the freedom of players.  Let them be.   You know, if the maker of celtic headbands doesn't like the way Rondo wears the headband, let them put the logo so it faces both ways.  Stop with the rules that demean players.  The way I see it, when the players are demeaned, we fans are demeaned too.

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2010, 12:42:11 AM »

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I think there should be a different kind of punishment for comlplianing. there should be different implications that have no impact on the game score but if a player just wont shut up they can get thrown out. Maybe it is a no free throw technical. If you get 2, you have to sit for 5 minutes. If you get the 3rd, you get tossed. These would be counted seperately from other techs.

That was just a quick idea. Anyone have any other thoughts?

I completely agree with you.  The biggest thing I hate about these technicals is that you are basically giving the opponent a free point.  I understand not liking the attitude and trying to clean up the image, but I definitely don't think it warrants the opposing team a single point.  That could determine the game.
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