The Big Dissappointment

[hpantazo]

Although it's too early to bury the Heat, they will be a tough team in the playoffs, one thing is clear, Arroyo, Chalmers, and Joel Anthony suck. Where are all the people who were ranting and raving that Arroyo and Chalmers would feel the "Rondo effect" from playing with a big three and bust out with bug years, and the same for Joel Anthony and the Perkins comparisons. Way off base on all of them. Rediculous.

[paul]

Let's call them overrated after we beat them tomorrow!

[Donoghus]

This Miami teams is going to be a pain in the butt, for whoever, to oust in a 7 game series. 

They might not set any records but they're a high quality team and going to be there battling in the end.

[Fafnir]

Although it's too early to bury the Heat, they will be a tough team in the playoffs, one thing is clear, Arroyo, Chalmers, and Joel Anthony suck. Where are all the people who were ranting and raving that Arroyo and Chalmers would feel the "Rondo effect" from playing with a big three and bust out with bug years, and the same for Joel Anthony and the Perkins comparisons. Way off base on all of them. Rediculous.

Who compared Anthony to Perkins?

[wahz]

Ive watched 5 of Miamis games (on tv)and wasn't doing anything else at the time. They lost 3 of those games so its unfair since they are 3-0 otherwise. Still my view is this and I have no idea what any statistical analysis shows:

1. They are much better when LeBron has the ball than Wade or anyone else. And again from my eyes it wasn't even a little close.

2. Bosh is darn close to a total bust. If you didn't know his name already you wouldn't even know who he was after. He doesn't play much d, doesn't keep anyone out of the paint, and looks awkward almost all the time.

3. No one tries to drive much. They play away from the paint. You get the feeling the other team is in the paint say 2x more than Miami is.

4. Even in these losses they were having quick bursts. They are actually great in transition. If you turn the ball over its causing them to surge. This is when they get to the hoop and its very fast

5. I wouldn't say the defense is very good. Its quite possible to penetrate past LeBron and Wade and there just isn't anyone tough waiting.

[nba is the worst]

Yeah, they're much more a work in progress than anybody thought they would be.  They can easily destroy weak teams, but against tough teams with good coaching they are still figuring things out.

actually they're playing exactly like I thought they would be.

On pace for 50-55 wins due to too many holes in the roster.

[the_Bird]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

[Brendan]

Way too early. Their second order numbers are phenom so far. It will come down to LAL and MIA for best record. But really who cares - didn't we establish that playoffs are what matter? They can very easily be the champs this year.

[2short]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

[the_Bird]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

Trading Bosh tells the whole world that you're in panic mode.  *If* Miami's performance deteriorates to the point where they feel they DO need to make a major change, Bosh's value isn't going to be nearly as high as it was this past summer - he'll be the guy getting all the blame.

In any case, they aren't going to kill the "Two And A Half Men" (love that, whoever came up with it) experiment until at least one run through the playoffs.

[BballTim]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

  One single player isn't enough to really stretch the floor. Don't they already have a 3rd wing that's been hitting most of his threes?

[LooseCannon]

Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway? 

They think he has upside.  He's basically, their attempt at a Kendrick Perkins.  If he develops, then he's under contract for not that much.  If he plateaus, it's not an outrageous price (five years at $18 million is a bit more than half the contract that Toronto gave Amir Johnson) for a defensive-minded, shot-blocking back-up center who can be a spot starter.  He does need to work on rebounding, though.

It's not a completely horrible notion.  They're in good shape if either Anthony or their fatboy project big Dexter Pittman becomes close to an average NBA starting center.  I doubt Joel Anthony will be that guy, but it's not the sort of contract that destroys a franchise's flexibility.

[2short]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

Trading Bosh tells the whole world that you're in panic mode.  *If* Miami's performance deteriorates to the point where they feel they DO need to make a major change, Bosh's value isn't going to be nearly as high as it was this past summer - he'll be the guy getting all the blame.

In any case, they aren't going to kill the "Two And A Half Men" (love that, whoever came up with it) experiment until at least one run through the playoffs.

agreed & agreed
I personally think haslem & miller offer more to the team game.  Unless Bosh steps up the defense big time and gets his rebounding numbers up he isn't a good mesh. 
I don't think Riley is really going to trade him.  I don't see Haslem being trade bait though.  Miller being injured means his trade value isn't very high and no one else on their team has trade value they are just fillers for trades.

[the_Bird]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

  One single player isn't enough to really stretch the floor. Don't they already have a 3rd wing that's been hitting most of his threes?

Eddie hasn't made a 3 in the last three games, he's hitting at 35% this year IIRC.  Eddie's a guy that'll play himself into and out of the rotation, he's a great guy to have around when he's hitting shots but you don't dump Mike Miller just because you have Eddie.  

Mike Miller is a very important element to what Miami wants to do, when he's back he'll be taking minutes away from the PGs, not just backing up LeWade.  They aren't going to trade him unless they get something REALLY good in return.

[BballTim]

The question in my mind is whether the Wade/LeBron experiment implodes before they can bring in the pieces that they're lacking (a decent PG, a legit, defense-and-rebounding 5). 

They're lacking in trade assets for these kinds of complementary pieces.  Joel Anthony and Haslem don't make quite enough to bring back an MLE-level player by themselves, and why the hell is Anthony signed through 2014-2015 anyway?  They gave away virtually all of their 1st round picks in the S&Ts for Bosh and LeBron.  They aren't exactly loaded up with young guys who might be attractive trade bait.

So, let's say Miami wanted to bring in a better PG or a better C.  Pretty much their only trade assets are Haslem and Mike Miller, both of whom are key bench players for them.  Otherwise, it's basically wait until next summer, when they get to spend the MLE again.

So, how does Miami fill these holes on their roster?  And, if the team isn't dominating, how long until Wade and LeBron start to chaffe?  Bosh will get blamed first, but there's a decent chance we see this whole thing blow up within a year and a half.

Miller is going to stretch the floor when he's back given bigger lanes for wade & lebron.  Haslem is imo their best rebounder.  I wouldn't trade either.  Why not Bosh?  You could get a few good players for him, teams would be interested enough to look at it. 

  One single player isn't enough to really stretch the floor. Don't they already have a 3rd wing that's been hitting most of his threes?

Eddie hasn't made a 3 in the last three games, he's hitting at 35% this year IIRC.  Eddie's a guy that'll play himself into and out of the rotation, he's a great guy to have around when he's hitting shots but you don't dump Mike Miller just because you have Eddie.  

Mike Miller is a very important element to what Miami wants to do, when he's back he'll be taking minutes away from the PGs, not just backing up LeWade.  They aren't going to trade him unless they get something REALLY good in return.

  I meant James Jones, who's hitting 50% on threes.