No Rebounds; No Glory

[Jon]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out. 

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road. 

[Bankshot]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out.  

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road.  

You do know that Baby wasn't the only one in the game when that happened, right?  You act like it was Baby's fault that O'Neal was out.  He can't help that he's undersized.  He's just not going to get many rebounds against a skilled big guy like Bogut. Bogut was a #1 pick , he should be dominant. And you expect Glen Davis to hold his own against him?  Davis is a bench player, remember that. The 7 foot KG didn't fare that well rebounding against Bogut either.

[Fafnir]

One simple fact, when you have to cover a guy like Bogut, you have to forget a lot of "Helping out"

You never stop playing good team defense to stick to your man to avoid offensive boards.

You have to play as a team.

[Jon]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out.  

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road.  

You do know that Baby wasn't the only one in the game when that happened, right?  You act like it was Baby's fault that O'Neal was out.  He can't help that he's undersized.  He's just not going to get many rebounds against a skilled big guy like Bogut. Bogut was a #1 pick , he should be dominant. And you expect Glen Davis to hold his own against him?  Davis is a bench player, remember that. The 7 foot KG didn't fare that well rebounding against Bogut either.

You're also acting like he's your child.

Of course I know that he wasn't the only one in the game.  And of course I know it isn't his fault that he's short.  But he is short.  And we're going to have to go through some trees to win it all this year. 

My only point truly was that for all of Baby's strengths, he sometimes loses a lot in the rebounding and shotblocking department.  And I'm not so sure pairing him with KG is the right idea.

However, thankfully, I don't think that Doc plans on making this the long term solution.  I think ultimately, we'll begin seeing one of the O'Neals (and then likely Perk) closing out games. 

[Jevi]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out. 

It has been overlooked for 3 years now. Doc just watches as big leads disappear. Wouldn't you by now lose faith in a player who is associated with these outcomes? I know I don't get it. What's even worse is to come in a game lose a big lead and then be on the floor in a close game making winning plays. Fooling everybody when this team is capable of a rout without him. I don't believe these close games should have ended so close. I can care less he's gotten better if we're struggling to finish off a team with one win.

[moiso]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out.  

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road.  

You do know that Baby wasn't the only one in the game when that happened, right?  You act like it was Baby's fault that O'Neal was out.  He can't help that he's undersized.  He's just not going to get many rebounds against a skilled big guy like Bogut. Bogut was a #1 pick , he should be dominant. And you expect Glen Davis to hold his own against him?  Davis is a bench player, remember that. The 7 foot KG didn't fare that well rebounding against Bogut either.

You're also acting like he's your child.

Of course I know that he wasn't the only one in the game.  And of course I know it isn't his fault that he's short.  But he is short.  And we're going to have to go through some trees to win it all this year. 

My only point truly was that for all of Baby's strengths, he sometimes loses a lot in the rebounding and shotblocking department.  And I'm not so sure pairing him with KG is the right idea.

However, thankfully, I don't think that Doc plans on making this the long term solution.  I think ultimately, we'll begin seeing one of the O'Neals (and then likely Perk) closing out games. 

The Celtics played better in that game with Baby than with Oneal.  Baby's +/- was +1.  Oneal's was -5.  Oneal was the only starter with a negative +/-.

[xmuscularghandix]

Milwaukee came back because Nate, Wafer, and Marquis couldn’t do their jobs.

[snively]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out. 

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road. 

I'm looking forward to Baby being pushed to the 4th or 5th spot in the big man rotation.  His offensive brilliance is doing wonders for us right now, but I don't expect him to sustain it (he's connecting on 78% of his at-rim shots!).  Meanwhile his limitations as a man defender, help defender and rebounder are still there. 

The sooner JO gets semi-comfortable with his teammates and starts eating into Baby's minutes, the better. He's capable of doing everything Baby's doing right now offensively only with better work on the boards and much better defense.

[nba is the worst]

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road. 

Even considering the small sample size of 5 games being a factor, KG's stats are:

'10-'11 rpg, 9.8; bpg 0.8
'07-'08 rpg, 9.2; bpg 1.3
Per 36 minutes, he's at 10.7/0.9, compared to JO's 6.5/3.5

[moiso]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out. 

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road. 

I'm looking forward to Baby being pushed to the 4th or 5th spot in the big man rotation.  His offensive brilliance is doing wonders for us right now, but I don't expect him to sustain it (he's connecting on 78% of his at-rim shots!).  Meanwhile his limitations as a man defender, help defender and rebounder are still there. 

The sooner JO gets semi-comfortable with his teammates and starts eating into Baby's minutes, the better. He's capable of doing everything Baby's doing right now offensively only with better work on the boards and much better defense.

All those charges he draws aren't on his own man.  That's help defense.  He will never challenge shots like JO(he is an amazing shot blocker) but I feel that his overall impact and energy is greater.  Playing baby at his natural position of power forward neutralizes his shortcomings to an extent.

It's a bonus that Baby can play some center minutes, not a negative.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One simple fact, when you have to cover a guy like Bogut, you have to forget a lot of "Helping out"

You never stop playing good team defense to stick to your man to avoid offensive boards.

You have to play as a team.

[Jon]

And as good as Baby can be with his hustle, shooting, and taking charges, it shouldn't be overlooked that part of Milwaukee's run came in the 2nd quarter when they got to the basket at will with Baby in the game and JO (a legit shot blocker) out. 

Still love Baby, but we're going to need our 7-footers too this year.  And I'm not so crazy about these Baby/KG lineups.  As others have said, KG doesn't seem to be the rebounder and shot blocker he was a few years ago.  Of course that's why a BBD/JO bench pairing might work out nicely down the road. 

I'm looking forward to Baby being pushed to the 4th or 5th spot in the big man rotation.  His offensive brilliance is doing wonders for us right now, but I don't expect him to sustain it (he's connecting on 78% of his at-rim shots!).  Meanwhile his limitations as a man defender, help defender and rebounder are still there. 

The sooner JO gets semi-comfortable with his teammates and starts eating into Baby's minutes, the better. He's capable of doing everything Baby's doing right now offensively only with better work on the boards and much better defense.

All those charges he draws aren't on his own man.  That's help defense.  He will never challenge shots like JO(he is an amazing shot blocker) but I feel that his overall impact and energy is greater.  Playing baby at his natural position of power forward neutralizes his shortcomings to an extent.

It's a bonus that Baby can play some center minutes, not a negative.

We'll, it's a positive he can play the "5" right now (though I suppose you could argue it's KG who is really playing the 5, given that he's taller than most NBA centers).  However, if Doc keeps these KG/BBD lineups going after everyone is healthy, we'll have some serious problems. 

While Baby's made the most of the minutes he's had, if Shaq was taking some of those minutes, we likely would've won both of the past two games without having to go to overtime.

Still, I don't think Doc plans to keep using that lineup.  I think right now he's simply forced to. 

Hopefully Shaq will be back soon. 

[greenpride32]

After 6 games, we're ranked #23 in rebounding as a team.  The statistic is a little bit misleading because it counts the total number of boards.  For a team that plays lower scoring games you figure there are less shot attempts and less opportunites to accumulate rebounds. 

Now if you look at rebounding differential, we are ranked #10.  We average a little more than 1 board per game than our opponenet.

Last night against CHI was the first game were beaten badly on the glass (43-31) and I think that was a big reason why CHI was able to make a comeback.  Note that CHI is ranked #2 in rebounding differential.

Once SON comes back and JON is at 100% we should be much better.  The past few games has seen a lot of Baby and KG as the frontline, and that was considered our small lineup last year that didn't fare too well.  But I think another factor is KG appears to be much more healthy this year.  He's already had a 15 rebound game and is just about averaging a double double.  You can see that he is comfortably dunking from 4-5 feet out when last year he sometimes had trouble from 1-2 feet out. 

We're not going to be the best rebounding team this year, but it's not going to be our Achilles heel either.

[Jevi]

Did anyone hear how many rebounds Baby got his hands on in the Chicago game? Sean Grande(super Baby supporter) mentioned more than a few times "Baby couldn't grab the rebound". There was a lot of "Baby drop it out of bounds" as well. I don't know how many Baby ended up with, but it gets me angry to hear that as many times in one game. Sean did mention Baby was having a horrible game, which shocked me. He usually stops commentating to give a Baby endorsement. I don't get the logic in staying with a player who keeps fumbling the rock, while the lead is clearly being challenged. We know what Baby rather do with those hands, I guess.

Nowadays, Big Baby, who got his name for his size and sensitivity during his elementary years in Louisiana, has a daily regimen of moisturizing, brushing and buffing himself into top form.

Davis said simply: “They were surprised at some of the things I do.”

Also include liberal use of Lubriderm lotion to keep his hands soft. He gets manicures twice a month, and favors – without apology – a clear top coat. The stereotypical “guys-as-grimy-and-rough” image is outdated, he said. “My generation is changing. Guys are doing the same things women are doing,” he said.

[moiso]

Did anyone hear how many rebounds Baby got his hands on in the Chicago game? Sean Grande(super Baby supporter) mentioned more than a few times "Baby couldn't grab the rebound". There was a lot of "Baby drop it out of bounds" as well. I don't know how many Baby ended up with, but it gets me angry to hear that as many times in one game. Sean did mention Baby was having a horrible game, which shocked me. He usually stops commentating to give a Baby endorsement. I don't get the logic in staying with a player who keeps fumbling the rock, while the lead is clearly being challenged. We know what Baby rather do with those hands, I guess.

Nowadays, Big Baby, who got his name for his size and sensitivity during his elementary years in Louisiana, has a daily regimen of moisturizing, brushing and buffing himself into top form.

Davis said simply: “They were surprised at some of the things I do.”

Also include liberal use of Lubriderm lotion to keep his hands soft. He gets manicures twice a month, and favors – without apology – a clear top coat. The stereotypical “guys-as-grimy-and-rough” image is outdated, he said. “My generation is changing. Guys are doing the same things women are doing,” he said.

Davis had 3 rebounds.  Pretty bad, but it was 3 more than JO managed to grab with his hands.