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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2010, 03:16:53 PM »

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redacted - see post two up for the whole thing
Good write up I agree with most of your points, something just is not clicking in the show for me. I think the danger seems a bit phoney and the out seems to hard to get.

The world is very dangerous, but a bit too silly dangerous. I mean the zombies basically launched a sneak attack on all fronts on the camp, but cannot open a door. Some of their contact with zombies is absolutely comical. Atlanta is surrounded by suburbs, no matter how much looting there was - there would be relatively close, well supplied towns to go to, that are also not over run with zombies (especially since everyone went to ATL.) Also the zombies are attracted to smell and loud noises, maybe movement too - which are plausible given the virus taking over the host lower brain. But there are also easy ways to conceal smell and eliminate loud noises. They could trap live animals and set them up in the middle of town with some loud noises to draw in all the zombies, then blow up all the zombies that come in (or just have a zombie hunt.) Etc. But these guys decide to run around like mad men? Why are they looting off of ATL?


Exactly..there are like..a million ways to problem solve for this..but they're apparently limited to one small part of Atlanta that doesn't have jack. And, in the woods there are ninja zombies.

My pet peeve is that survivors never use the most resource-efficient anti-zombie weapon: gravity.

Think about it - lure a bunch of zombies up to a roof of a building or mall or something.  Get a sheer drop between you and them; cross over to another building and remove the bridge maybe.  Or use a crane and dangle someone over a cliff as bait.  Watch them all fall trying to get to you.  The ones that weren't "killed" would be immobilized.  Repeat as necessary. 

I think part of the genre is accepting that even if the basic premise (zombies) is true, most of what happens afterward doesn't make much sense.  It's interesting to watch how the people react, but the scenario is just realistic enough that suspension of disbelief is hard to keep going.  And the longer you think about it, the tougher it gets.
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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2010, 03:27:17 PM »

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First, let me say that I agree with some of IndeedProceed's points. The zombie genre is sort of divided into two sorts of zombie stories: the dumb, slow moving zombie that takes years to overtake the world (see the Romero series) and the fast, ultra brutal zombies who take over places quickly. In this series we have the slow moving, dumb zombies take over everything in a matter of weeks, which is a bit unexplained.

I meant to address this. The 28 days later zombies (actually, they were just 'infected') could storm the camp quietly, they're fast. The I am Legend 'zompires' same thing..but Romero's zombies aren't that scary.

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But my main problem with the series so far has been the very shoddy writing. Previous plot points are completely ignored without a second thought. There are many such problems to recall them all here, but let me just point out a recent, and pretty egregious one in my opinion.

So we spent most of the 5th episode on the "CDC or fort benning" decision. Lots of heated exchanges and all that over it. And so they decide to go to the CDC. Only they get there and everything is deserted. No big deal, right? Just turn around and head for fort benning, right? Except that apparently they were low on gas and couldn't make it to fort benning anymore. So that was the major point of tension at the end of the fifth episode. Shane blames Rick for taking them there, condemning them and all that. Here's why this bothers me: if they almost ran out of gas driving to the cdc from their location at the outskirts of Atlanta (a distance that rick and others jogged in a previous episode), how were they even considering the much longer drive to fort benning to begin with? In other words, the writers wrote a pretty big plot hole just to drum up the drama for the "cdc or fort benning" decision, and later for the deserted cdc reveal.

Just like the whole "grenade" fiasco. So they spent the entire second episode looking for a way of producing a loud enough noise to draw the zombies away from that particular building they were in, and Rick had a grenade in his pocket? One he forgot about as he put his clothes in the laundry load?

Yeah, and he never brought it up, or looked for it? Makes no sense. Worst Sheriff ever.

My pet peeve is that survivors never use the most resource-efficient anti-zombie weapon: gravity.

Think about it - lure a bunch of zombies up to a roof of a building or mall or something.  Get a sheer drop between you and them; cross over to another building and remove the bridge maybe.  Or use a crane and dangle someone over a cliff as bait.  Watch them all fall trying to get to you.  The ones that weren't "killed" would be immobilized.  Repeat as necessary.

A cool series might be tracking the civilization that rises up after the initial invasion.

Like first scene, pilot episode, a guy walks out of his house to go check his Zombie traps, and dispose of any that managed to get caught in them.

It would be a lot like living in a post-plague world or something. Always wash your hands, don't get close to sick people, and be wary of survivors.

Anyone else watched Jeremiah? (its free on Netflix on demand)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290966/

Kinda like a Jeremiah with zombies.

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2010, 04:52:15 PM »

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Oh you guys with your over-analyzing a zombie apocalypse (something I do quite often myself hehehe). However you did make some really good points.

As a positive aspect of the finale how about the flashback to the hospital in the beginning of the episode? Absolute chaos. I loved it. The military going nuts (or following orders?) and just executing everyone in the hallway and then the sergeant walking up to each body and putting a round in their head. Awesome. Kinda makes u think about what would happen if s hit the fan in real life (zombie or other epidemic). Then Shane blocking the doorway: he looks one way and the walkers are coming down the hallway and the other way the soldiers are wasting everyone. It's like "pick your poison" lol. Good stuff (wonder how he got outta there?).

I love the show and can forgive the plot holes here and there. Example: What happend to the can alarm system (lol) they set up around the camp?

Since it seems we are on the topic of nitpicking tho let me point this out: WHY THE F DOESN'T ANYONE pick up the M4s and .50 cal machine guns that are just strewn about the place (by the tank in Atlanta, and all outside/inside the CDC)? I see one of those bad-larrys hanging around I snatch it up and go to work!

As a matter of fact in most movies / TV shows you very rarely see the hero doing this. Example: Jack Bauer's USP (a pistol) >>> all your automatic assault rifles at any range you silly terrorists! Can't we all be like Bruce Willis in Die Hard? "Now I have a machine gun... ho, ho, ho!"

Anyway there's my minor gripe. Can't wait until season 2!

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2010, 05:29:01 PM »

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Then Shane blocking the doorway: he looks one way and the walkers are coming down the hallway and the other way the soldiers are wasting everyone. It's like "pick your poison" lol. Good stuff (wonder how he got outta there?).

I had the show on during the encore and noticed that right after shooting all the patients, a soldier looks at Shane, starts to train his gun on him, and stops.  I think they let him go because he was a cop and wasn't obviously bitten.

But then again they also didn't seem to have a problem with all having their backs to an unsecured door, so who knows.

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #109 on: December 06, 2010, 05:34:19 PM »

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Big fan of the series...my favorite storyline I think has to be the whole Merle thing.  Episodes 2 and 3 are by far my favorite.

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2010, 03:07:42 PM »

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #111 on: December 07, 2010, 03:43:53 PM »

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Big fan of the series...my favorite storyline I think has to be the whole Merle thing.  Episodes 2 and 3 are by far my favorite.
yep - from when his horse got eaten to when they went back and saw hand of Merle was the best part of season 1. The beginning episodes could have been standard in any zombie flick (and almost exactly parallel 28 days.)

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #112 on: December 07, 2010, 03:47:43 PM »

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http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/07/the-walking-dead-finale-breaks-ratings-records/?hpt=T2

For those who don't want to read it, TWD kicked major butt in the 18-49 demo. That's about the gist. I'm glad too..I hope for an improved 2nd season..and for all my gripes, I enjoyed season 1.

Big fan of the series...my favorite storyline I think has to be the whole Merle thing.  Episodes 2 and 3 are by far my favorite.
yep - from when his horse got eaten to when they went back and saw hand of Merle was the best part of season 1. The beginning episodes could have been standard in any zombie flick (and almost exactly parallel 28 days.)

Agree, and with the addition that 28 Days is head and shoulders above all other Zombie movies in my eye. From the acting to the feasibility...they win.

But then, its not really a zombie movie though, is it?

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #113 on: December 07, 2010, 04:45:46 PM »

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I had high, high hopes for this series from the pilot through episode 3. I understand the character development/relationships need to be brought along and nurtured for the viewer for the longevity's sake of the series, but it was pretty unbalanced for me. It was so forced that watching the writers take their time trying to win an emmy was taking my interest away. It should have focused more on survival and back story.
I agree that zombies in most movies/comics do have a shelf life--they will eventually die out, and rather quickly without a food source, and from the elements. I was also curious if animals are affected by the virus in this world--although the only one I've seen was the horse.
I hope the writing is better next season, but overall, I really enjoyed it and can't wait to see what they do with a full season.

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #114 on: December 07, 2010, 05:22:56 PM »

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I really liked Episode 5 and the season overall but I was really disappointed by the finale. I thought the whole story of that episode was pretty lame and "meh", especially the countdown part (so cliché and so unrealistic...). The scientist was kind of not convincing too, his motives weren't really credible. I liked how Dale's character was developed though, he is as sympathetic that in the comics.

Anyway I guess the finale mostly disappointed me because there was no cliffhanger. I will watch season 2 when it comes out, of course, but I really hope it will stay closer to the comics' story and avoid cheap storylines like this one.

Overall though, great show and really good first season.

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #115 on: December 07, 2010, 07:20:54 PM »

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Watching it for the second time right now....the prelude from the Doctor in interesting  "There will come a day when you wish you didn't "

Secondly  what do you guys think was said from the doctor when he whispered into his ear?

Love the series way too short for the first season though  any idea when season two is?

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #116 on: December 07, 2010, 07:22:04 PM »

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Watching it for the second time right now....the prelude from the Doctor in interesting  "There will come a day when you wish you didn't "

Secondly  what do you guys think was said from the doctor when he whispered into his ear?

Love the series way too short for the first season though  any idea when season two is?

I got some bad news bears for you. Production on season 2 hasn't even started yet, and the head honcho recently fired all the writers. They're thinking next october.

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #117 on: December 07, 2010, 11:13:52 PM »

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canned all the writers??? what for? the show was top rated across the board....kinda reminds me of the heat firing their entire season ticket staff once the big drama came to town ...the big wigs forget all the little people that bring them to the top

Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #118 on: December 07, 2010, 11:22:40 PM »

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canned all the writers??? what for? the show was top rated across the board....kinda reminds me of the heat firing their entire season ticket staff once the big drama came to town ...the big wigs forget all the little people that bring them to the top

I don't get it either..but looking back on the last 6 epis, I do think there is room for improvement. That said, this move looks incredibly drastic, it kills whatever momentum they had going, and it smells like desperation, instead of rotting flesh..like it should.

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Re: The Walking Dead
« Reply #119 on: December 08, 2010, 05:46:57 AM »

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