Lasme, Wafer, ...or neither?

[Celtics18]

Doc doesn't have to go 10 deep to start the season.  He could easily go 9 deep until Delonte returns, with Marquis playing minutes at the 2 and the 3 and Nate playing at the 1 and the 2, while rotating the starters so that one of Rondo, Allen and Pierce always stay on the floor with the second unit.  

The back end of the bench (Bradley, Lasme, Harangody, and Erden) would be available for spot minutes or see action in blowouts.  This will still allow for plenty of rest for the starters and the second unit.  If one of those end of the bench guys works his way into more regular minutes, well, that's a complete bonus.

[billysan]

The Delonte West suspension is a non-issue. The Celtics do not need to play a 10 man rotation. They can play a nine man rotation just fine while Delonte is suspended with Nate, Marquis, BBD and Shaq/Jermaine coming off the bench.

They do not need Von Wafer or Bradley to fill those minutes.

I agree. I do have some concern with Marquis Daniels durability though. I hope it is unfounded, but his recent shoulder pain from a little 'rough and dirty play' by Reggie Evans better not be a sign of things to come. That will make the second unit very lean at the guard and wing spots.

[Celtics18]

The Delonte West suspension is a non-issue. The Celtics do not need to play a 10 man rotation. They can play a nine man rotation just fine while Delonte is suspended with Nate, Marquis, BBD and Shaq/Jermaine coming off the bench.

They do not need Von Wafer or Bradley to fill those minutes.

What you said.  I posted a very similar post minutes after yours without noticing that you had just mentioned this.

My apologies.  Not trying to steal your point.

[Roy H.]

The Delonte West suspension is a non-issue. The Celtics do not need to play a 10 man rotation. They can play a nine man rotation just fine while Delonte is suspended with Nate, Marquis, BBD and Shaq/Jermaine coming off the bench.

They do not need Von Wafer or Bradley to fill those minutes.

What you said.  I posted a very similar post minutes after yours without noticing that you had just mentioned this.

My apologies.  Not trying to steal your point.

I disagree that it's a complete non-issue.  With Delonte's suspension and Bradley's injury, for the first 10 games all we're likely to have for bench guard depth is Nate and Marquis.  What happens if either gets injured (a distinct possibility with Marquis)?  In such a scenario, we'd have one guy covering as many as three positions.  That's unworkable.

Thus, Wafer will make the team, in my opinion.

[mgent]

The Delonte West suspension is a non-issue. The Celtics do not need to play a 10 man rotation. They can play a nine man rotation just fine while Delonte is suspended with Nate, Marquis, BBD and Shaq/Jermaine coming off the bench.

They do not need Von Wafer or Bradley to fill those minutes.

What you said.  I posted a very similar post minutes after yours without noticing that you had just mentioned this.

My apologies.  Not trying to steal your point.

I disagree that it's a complete non-issue.  With Delonte's suspension and Bradley's injury, for the first 10 games all we're likely to have for bench guard depth is Nate and Marquis.  What happens if either gets injured (a distinct possibility with Marquis)?  In such a scenario, we'd have one guy covering as many as three positions.  That's unworkable.

Thus, Wafer will make the team, in my opinion.

First of all Lasme and Harangody can both fill in at the 3 to push Marquis to SG.  If an injury were to occur to one of the two, I would not be worried about having either Nate or Marquis play 30mpg while keeping either Rondo, Ray, or Pierce in.  It's only ten games anyway.  If need be Rondo can easily be given extended minutes, and you know Ray likes some extra minutes in the beginning of the season to really get in shape.

Also, Bradley is apparently capable of at least playing the 5 minutes or so that he's averaged in the last 3 games.  Unless there's been reports of his ankle getting worse that I am unaware of, why can't he play in any of the first 10 games?

[snively]

The Delonte West suspension is a non-issue. The Celtics do not need to play a 10 man rotation. They can play a nine man rotation just fine while Delonte is suspended with Nate, Marquis, BBD and Shaq/Jermaine coming off the bench.

They do not need Von Wafer or Bradley to fill those minutes.

Having a shooting option on the wing at all times is important, even if we haven't been able to have one the last couple years.  The questionable status of Bradley and West's potential for injury does make Wafer a candidate for minutes, if only to keep Ray from playing 40 minutes a game.

[Roy H.]

It's only ten games anyway. 

Ten games doesn't sound like a lot, but that's 1/8th of the season.  I'd rather have Wafer playing his natural position in those games, rather than asking Lasme or Harangody to play a position they've never really played.  What would you consider a workable rotation in terms of minutes played in the event of a Nate or Marquis injury?

Also, Bradley is apparently capable of at least playing the 5 minutes or so that he's averaged in the last 3 games.  Unless there's been reports of his ankle getting worse that I am unaware of, why can't he play in any of the first 10 games?

Bradley has looked terrible in those minutes, and second, the injury is still a big concern, at least for Doc:

Rivers said after the game that Bradley's surgically repaired left ankle is still not responding well to rehab and the team is pondering whether to shut him down indefinitely to allow a greater recovery. . . .

"I'm more upset for him because this is not the way you want to break into the NBA," said Rivers. "Where you're frustrated and you can't play. We probably have to try something else because what we're doing is clearly not working. [Celtics trainer] Eddie [Lacerte] and I talked about it [Friday] night. I don't know what, but what we're doing is not working."

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4677272/bradleys-wait-continues

[2short]

No wafer ugh
We are looking at Delonte a combo guard missing 10 games due to suspension for idiocy.  We have rondo & ray as starters, the nate & rondo thing has worked and we have marquis who can play sg.  Mind you when he is there we should have nate at pg for spreading floor.  What backup minutes are we looking at until west gets back???  Nate can play starters minutes for most nba teams.  I see no argument for wafer, we don't need a sg for any stretch and when delonte gets back he wouldn't see the floor.  He has looked really bad in preseason.  He has looked to hog the ball and his attitude is questionable and then some.  His outside shooting is supposed to be his strength 
Lasme! He can give us minutes at sf where we need help.  We have PP and marquis for the posistion.  I worry more about too many minutes for Pierce than Ray.

[j804]

Forgot where I read it but Doc somewhat gave the nod to Wafer leading in the race for that final roster spot.

[Fafnir]

According Celticshub Lasme and West were told they were cut after last nights game.

[Overrated]

Forgot where I read it but Doc somewhat gave the nod to Wafer leading in the race for that final roster spot.

[Cman]

According Celticshub Lasme and West were told they were cut after last nights game.

That's a shame, I really liked those two players over Wafer.  Once Delonte West is back, then I wonder if the Cs consider cutting Wafer and bringing Lasme back (at that point, backup SF will be more of a need than backup SG).

[billysan]

Actually I would rather hang on to Wafer as temporary insurance for those 10 games and take a close look at some 'late camp cuts'. I have no proble cutting him then because he is on a non guaranteed contract.

Maybe invite a couple of wings in for workouts, I trust Danny will scoop one up if he thinks it's a player that could help. I am fine with Lasme playing in Maine. I hope he gets plenty of burn at SF.

[GreenEnvy]

Wafer is obviously the most talented, and as long as Pierce and Daniels stay healthy, it's the right move. He spreads the floor, could handle the ball, and after a month or two should be defensively sound.

Anyone know when his contract becomes fully guaranteed? Is it if he is on the roster to start the season, or a certain date on the season calender?

After West comes back, we really have a large number of players *capable* of playing SG behind Ray. West, Daniels, Bradley, Nate, Pierce, and now Wafer. That's 6 potential backups. We have one legitimate SF to backup Pierce.

We have 4 capable PG's (Rondo, Nate, West, Bradley) and a buncha SG's. We have KG, BBD, and JO for PF, and will have Perk, Shaq, JO and Erden for Centers.

I think Lasme may be on the team before March, as long as nobody else scoops him up.

[mgent]

Lasme's not coming back.  If we get rid of Wafer for anyone it will be for a guy who's cut near the deadline.