C's Roation Question

[RedVision]

It seems that we have a bunch of people under contract and are still working out other players...what gives...also we seem to have a glut of bodies to play the 1/2 any ideas how it shakes out?? How does Bradley fit in with the addition of West and Waffer??

Best Guess of rotation

C: J.Oneal  S.Oneal  Erden   Perk (out w/injury)
PF: KG  Baby 
SF: Pierce Daniels Harangody(pf)
SG: Allen  West  Wafer 
PG: Rondo  Robinson  Bradley

[jdpapa3]

Well, Bradley is extremely young, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a complete project, but I think the rest of the rotation should start out something like this:

pg: Rondo 36    Nate 12
sg: Ray 31     Delonte 17
sf: Pierce 32   Marquis 16
pf: Garnett 28 Davis : 20
c: J O'Neal 24 O'Neal 24

Doc has shown the propensity for the entire backup unit to play for long stretches and I wouldn't be surprised to see that remaining consistent after where that led us last season. Going to be a weird regular season on this site because a lot of crying last season during the regular season was drowned out during the playoffs, and for good reason.

[xmuscularghandix]

Going to be a weird regular season on this site because a lot of crying last season during the regular season was drowned out during the playoffs, and for good reason.

“Ray and Paul are too old that’s why we can’t hold onto leads”

NO Ray and Paul aren’t focusing because their heads are already in the Playoffs. But nobody wanted listen, everybody on here just wanted to hate and trash on all our players for being done...

I was really frustrated with the game threads last season 

[slamtheking]

Doc will probably go with primarily a 10-man rotation during the season with the a complete 2nd unit on the floor since he now has a well-rounded group of vets to put on the floor that should be able to hold their own.

starting for now:  Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, JO
2nd unit for now: Nate, West, Daniels, BBD, Shaq.

Wafer will be the 11th man (or Hassell or Mccants if they push him off the roster) and used situationally if West or Daniels isn't delivering (or hurt).  Erden will probably be 12th man just in case with Bradley and Gody in Maine.

When Perk returns, figure Erden to the inactive roster.  Depending on Perk's condition (or JO's performance), he either takes Shaq's spot in the 2nd unit or JO's spot as a starter with JO sliding to Shaq's spot.  There'll be plenty of injuries that ensure everyone sees minutes except the rookies.

[the_Bird]

It seems that we have a bunch of people under contract and are still working out other players...what gives...also we seem to have a glut of bodies to play the 1/2 any ideas how it shakes out?? How does Bradley fit in with the addition of West and Waffer??

Best Guess of rotation

C: J.Oneal  S.Oneal  Erden   Perk (out w/injury)
PF: KG  Baby  
SF: Pierce Daniels Harangody(pf)
SG: Allen  West  Wafer  
PG: Rondo  Robinson  Bradley

I think that's right, basically.

Things I'd consider:

1. If Delonte outplays Nate (or more realistically, if Nate doesn't commit himself on the defensive end), Delonte could back up Rondo and Nate could find himself getting some DNP-CDs.  That might open up a little playing time for Wafer (or Bradley), or we might see Delonte on the floor for 25-30 minutes a game.  Delonte's the best overall PLAYER of the backup guys we have at the 1/2 spots, so that may not be a bad thing.

2. Bradley, if his D is as good as they claim, I think he's got an opportunity to earn some spot minutes - five or six minutesa game, not just garbage time, maybe in the second and third quarters.  Remember a few times when Billy Walker got in the game early on, he just never really did much with it to prove he deserved more PT.  Bradley will have to pick up the D and not do anything stupid on offense.  It's not like it's unheard of for a rookie to help out a championship-caliber squad; I can't imagine him getting the same minutes, but I'm thinking of a guy like Courtney Lee, who was a real pest in our side as a rookie in Orlando.  

3. Thinking that Wafer's roster spot is a LOT less secure with Delonte on board, and thinking that they're mighty glad they only guaranteed him $150k.  They're clearly still LOOKING at small forward options, which is good.  If Wafer's likely going to be on the outside of the rotation, it may be better to give his roster spot to someone like McCants (or even Morrison).

4. Danny's been willing in the past to kick the tires on high draft pick busts.  Wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Morrison get a camp-invite.  Danny's looking for home runs.

[KobeGotRondoD]

I think it depends on the matchup each night.

For example when we play the Lakers, we'd probably go with Wafer instead of West to back up Ray. because of his length, and I personally think he's a more versatile defender. Same with Harangody whom Doc might choose to defend bigger 3s that marquis can't defend

When we played Orlando, I would start Shaq at the 5. and bring Jermaine off the bench.

Same thing with Nate and Avery... if we play a team with a very good PG such as Phoenix or Chicago (Nash, Rose), Doc might consider having Avery Bradley back up Rondo.

[bballee]

I think it depends on the matchup each night.

For example when we play the Lakers, we'd probably go with Wafer instead of West to back up Ray. because of his length, and I personally think he's a more versatile defender. Same with Harangody whom Doc might choose to defend bigger 3s that marquis can't defend

When we played Orlando, I would start Shaq at the 5. and bring Jermaine off the bench.

Same thing with Nate and Avery... if we play a team with a very good PG such as Phoenix or Chicago (Nash, Rose), Doc might consider having Avery Bradley back up Rondo.

I think a lot will depend on training camp.  I agree that Doc has a lot of weapons/tools and will be able to create favorable match-ups.  The added strength along with the aging stars suggest more rotation variation.

[incoherent]

I think we have the depth to adopt a more baseball like approach to our line ups this season.  Should be interesting. 

[Ed Teach]

I am not sure why everyone thinks that Bradely is a PG.  I don't really see him as Rondo's backup, I see him more a Ray Allens backup.  In college he was much better when he was not the primary ball handler.

I also think the Celtics may try Wafer at the 3 for at least a few mins.  With all the guards that we have someone is going to either not play or have to play some 3.  Wafer is the only one of the group that I can see playing the wing, all the others seem to be more of the "combo" guard type.

[BballTim]

I am not sure why everyone thinks that Bradely is a PG.  I don't really see him as Rondo's backup, I see him more a Ray Allens backup.  In college he was much better when he was not the primary ball handler.

  While this may be true, I'm pretty sure that Doc's made a few comments about Bradley learning to play the point.

[celts55]

I think quite a few people forget that West can not play the first 10 games of the season. I would think if Wafer, Robinson and Daniels are all playing well, he might have a tough time breaking into the rotation. Not to mention if they add say Morrison or McCants. I wouldn't give West a spot in the rotation just yet.

[wdleehi]

I would expect


Rondo 38 min   Nate 10 min
Ray 28 min   West 20 min
Pierce 35 min  Ray 5 min Daniels/Wafer 8 min
KG 32 min  Davis 10 min  J O/Neal 6 min
J Oneal 20 min Shaq 20 min Davis 8 min




Just my guess.  I see Ray matching up against backup SFs. 


I split both Davis and J Oneal between PF and C because I see them both playing with each other, KG and Shaq.  I see only Shaq and KG only in one position.

[jimmywolfrey]

If mentally and physically healthy, Dwest will get 25-30 mpg behind Rondo, Allen and some small ball lineups.  He is too good relative to the other options.  He is the like the pisces water sign, he fits into the shape of whatever container that is presented to him.  He is more of a glue guy than anything else.  I think that is an attractive option on most championship caliber teams.  He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective since he hustles and plays D consistently and if you need scoring, he can turn on the light and do that.  Plus his free throw shooting might help him get more run at the end of the games when the Celtics are trying to hold onto leads.

[jimmywolfrey]

What does everyone think about rotations now?

[clover]

I would expect


Rondo 38 min   Nate 10 min
Ray 28 min   West 20 min
Pierce 35 min  Ray 5 min Daniels/Wafer 8 min
KG 32 min  Davis 10 min  J O/Neal 6 min
J Oneal 20 min Shaq 20 min Davis 8 min




Just my guess.  I see Ray matching up against backup SFs. 


I split both Davis and J Oneal between PF and C because I see them both playing with each other, KG and Shaq.  I see only Shaq and KG only in one position.

I don't think there's a need for Rondo to go over 35 minutes. Pierce I bet they'd like to keep closer to 32, but with the drop off to his backup, I bet Doc struggles to keep him under 35 too.  My guess is the O'Neals combine to average one guy playing 30 minutes over 82 games, so there'll actually be room for Semih in there and Doc will get him in so he's ready for the playoffs too.  (Also, the more Doc thinks of staying long term, the more he'll think about Semih's long-term potential.)

I think this will be a fascinating year because they'll be playing for the top seed all year long--but they'll also be juggling more players than usual in the rotation.  Even through the playoffs, the rotations will probably change more than the usual from series to series.