Post Big Three Era

[KobeGotRondoD]

Post Big-Three Era:

1: Rondo-Avery
2: ?-Wafer/West
3: ?-Pierce
4: Davis-Luke
5: Perk-?

Let's hope we snag 2 more titles before this happens...

Though the future is not as grimy as it might seem.  When Ray and KG retire in 2 years, we'll be shedding $30mill+ in salary. We could use the majority of this to pick up a young star like Durant, Granger, or even Carmelo.  I think by that time, Pierce will no longer be able to be a starter and would be more suited coming off the bench.

[Kwhit10]

We won't be getting Durant, he already signed an extension.  Melo is likely to sign an extension before being traded and if he isn't he'll go form another super team. 

[Cman]

Post Big-Three Era:

1: Rondo-Avery
2: ?-Wafer/West
3: ?-Pierce
4: Davis-Luke
5: Perk-?

Let's hope we snag 2 more titles before this happens...

Though the future is not as grimy as it might seem.  When Ray and KG retire in 2 years, we'll be shedding $30mill+ in salary. We could use the majority of this to pick up a young star like Durant, Granger, or even Carmelo.  I think by that time, Pierce will no longer be able to be a starter and would be more suited coming off the bench.

I think the best bet it to use KG and Ray's salary, along with draft picks, to trade for replacements (for example -- just tossing this out there, next summer DA trades KG + Ray to Philly for Iggy + Brand).  It's pretty hard to sign a FA superstar...

[the_Bird]

We won't be getting Durant, he already signed an extension.  Melo is likely to sign an extension before being traded and if he isn't he'll go form another super team. 

...  was just going to say, my pipe-dream of a Durant signing was shot down a few months back when he re-upped in OKC.  'Melo, any team that trades for him is going to do so having worked out an extension in advance, like we did with KG; not giving up the kind of value that Denver wants for a one-year rental.

Pretty good chance that the cap space we should have in 2012 will be used to absorb salary in a trade.  Pretty critical that we keep our draft picks, and hope that guys like Avery Bradley and maybe 'Gody develop.  We'll either need pieces to run alongside Rondo, or we'll need some more trade chips a la Summer of '07.  What we've got now for young, cheap talent wouldn't be enough to get a trade done, even if we COULD bring back salary.

[wdleehi]

Post Big-Three Era:

1: Rondo-Avery
2: ?-Wafer/West
3: ?-Pierce
4: Davis-Luke
5: Perk-?

Let's hope we snag 2 more titles before this happens...

Though the future is not as grimy as it might seem.  When Ray and KG retire in 2 years, we'll be shedding $30mill+ in salary. We could use the majority of this to pick up a young star like Durant, Granger, or even Carmelo.  I think by that time, Pierce will no longer be able to be a starter and would be more suited coming off the bench.

It is more like

PG Rondo
SG ?
SF Pierce ?
PF ?
C  Perk?


Bench
Avery?
Davis?


That's about it.   I would not expect to see more then 5 of the current players post KG/Ray. 

[Jon]

Post Big-Three Era:

1: Rondo-Avery
2: ?-Wafer/West
3: ?-Pierce
4: Davis-Luke
5: Perk-?

Let's hope we snag 2 more titles before this happens...

Though the future is not as grimy as it might seem.  When Ray and KG retire in 2 years, we'll be shedding $30mill+ in salary. We could use the majority of this to pick up a young star like Durant, Granger, or even Carmelo.  I think by that time, Pierce will no longer be able to be a starter and would be more suited coming off the bench.

It is more like

PG Rondo
SG ?
SF Pierce ?
PF ?
C  Perk?


Bench
Avery?
Davis?


That's about it.   I would not expect to see more then 5 of the current players post KG/Ray. 

Yeah.  And that's why I wouldn't be shocked to see Baby traded by February.  He's going to command more money this summer and probably more year than Danny is going to want to commit to given the fact that he'll likely never be our starting power forward (at least not when we're contending). 

Given that case, I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny package him with a guard to get a big 3, especially if Daniels isn't cutting it and/or Perk comes back at full speed. 

Post Big Three, things are very much up in the air.  The fact of the matter is that Danny is going to have to get lucky.  We can clear a ton of room; however, we may end up being the Knicks, Nets, or Clippers and getting little or nothing to show for it.  Furthermore, we may want to package KG and Ray; however, teams may not want to give us anything.  I mean praise Danny all you want for picking up Ray and KG three years ago, but there aren't many years when two teams are willing to trade their franchise superstars

So even if we plan and do everything right, it still might not matter.  It sucks, but it's true. 

[ben]

2 years from now

Rondo - robinson
West    - Ray Allen
Pierce  -
(some awesome free agent) - KG
Perk  - JO

Bench
Harrangody
Erdin
Wafer?

[JSD]

The post big 3 era is impossible to guess right now because of the lack of information we have on the new CBA. Also, with Miami as stacked up as they're going to be, it might be a good time to recoup some money lost to the luxury tax and rebuild through the draft in 2012.

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah.  And that's why I wouldn't be shocked to see Baby traded by February.  He's going to command more money this summer and probably more year than Danny is going to want to commit to given the fact that he'll likely never be our starting power forward (at least not when we're contending). 

Given that case, I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny package him with a guard to get a big 3, especially if Daniels isn't cutting it and/or Perk comes back at full speed. 

That might be true except for the big wild card of the upcoming CBA.  Depending on how much the new cap and new max contracts are, mid-range price guys like Baby might get squeezed down toward the bottom of the scale. 

I wouldn't be surprised if BBD was moved, but it probably wouldn't be because of financial pressures. 

[KobeGotRondoD]

2 years from now

Rondo - robinson
West    - Ray Allen
Pierce  -
(some awesome free agent) - KG
Perk  - JO

Bench
Harrangody
Erdin
Wafer?

I honestly don't think Ray allen and KG will be playing after their contracts are done in 2 years... ray allen definitely won't because he's going to beat reggie miller's record this season anyways. KG would be more likely to continue playing but I just don't see that happening considering his bad knee. He seems to be struggling just to stay alive during the reg season

[the_Bird]

I thought Ray Allen had said when he signed his contract that he only planned to play another two seasons.  I know JO said the same, but I thought Ray indicated he was "two and done."

One potential concern...  can they really rebuild through the draft with Pierce and Rondo aboard?  If those two are healthy, with ANY kind of supporting cast they ought to be able to keep the team out of the high lottery (even assuming Pierce keeps slowing down).  

Would they want to essentially tank Pierce's last seasons, and Rondo's prime?  

How would Rondo react, if he knew the team wasn't being set up to win as many games as possible?  I really don't see Pierce wanting to stick around for the beginning of a rebuild, maybe he'd step up his head-to-Europe plans by a year.

Unless they get really lucky, I could easily see 2012 turning ugly, potentially both on and off the court.  

[fairweatherfan]

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Danny and the rest are really creating a culture of Boston as a free agent destination.  We might not be able to compete with LA or Miami for younger guys, but the parade of HOFers the last few seasons should help our image with future free agents.

[Mike-Dub]

Yeah.  And that's why I wouldn't be shocked to see Baby traded by February.  He's going to command more money this summer and probably more year than Danny is going to want to commit to given the fact that he'll likely never be our starting power forward (at least not when we're contending). 

Given that case, I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny package him with a guard to get a big 3, especially if Daniels isn't cutting it and/or Perk comes back at full speed. 

That might be true except for the big wild card of the upcoming CBA.  Depending on how much the new cap and new max contracts are, mid-range price guys like Baby might get squeezed down toward the bottom of the scale. 

I wouldn't be surprised if BBD was moved, but it probably wouldn't be because of financial pressures. 

I don't think Baby's going to get traded unless it's to good of a deal to pass up.  I really hope we keep Baby and lock him up for a decent amount of time.  I always see post about wanting to trade Baby and I just don't get them.

[Jon]

Yeah.  And that's why I wouldn't be shocked to see Baby traded by February.  He's going to command more money this summer and probably more year than Danny is going to want to commit to given the fact that he'll likely never be our starting power forward (at least not when we're contending). 

Given that case, I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny package him with a guard to get a big 3, especially if Daniels isn't cutting it and/or Perk comes back at full speed. 

That might be true except for the big wild card of the upcoming CBA.  Depending on how much the new cap and new max contracts are, mid-range price guys like Baby might get squeezed down toward the bottom of the scale. 

I wouldn't be surprised if BBD was moved, but it probably wouldn't be because of financial pressures. 

I don't think Baby's going to get traded unless it's to good of a deal to pass up.  I really hope we keep Baby and lock him up for a decent amount of time.  I always see post about wanting to trade Baby and I just don't get them.

I don't think it's a desire to trade him (at least on my part), it's more that he's probably the only trade chip of any worth we really have.  No one wants our older players (at least not for anything close to equal value).  We're not going to trade Rondo.  Perkins is a question mark with health.  And everyone else isn't all that talented and potentially iffy for other reasons (Nate's height, West's sanity, Daniel's health, Wafer's past history).  The young guys haven't accomplished anything. 

Baby has proven himself to be an NBA player and could probably start on some teams. 

However, is he ever going to be good enough to start on a contending team? 

I'm not so sure and tend to think not. 

Given that case, if we have 4 healthy bigs in February other than Baby (a big IF) and Danny doesn't want to invest future "core" money in a player he doesn't see as part of the next Celtic contender, we might as well trade him for a big 3. 

It just doesn't make fiscal sense to hold on to a role player through a rebuilding process when it could jeopardize our ability to land superstars. 

[Neurotic Guy]

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Danny and the rest are really creating a culture of Boston as a free agent destination.  We might not be able to compete with LA or Miami for younger guys, but the parade of HOFers the last few seasons should help our image with future free agents.

Boston as an FA destination is entirely dependent upon Boston being a contender.  The great playoff run last year is the primary reason guys re-upped (Ray; Paul) or signed here (Shaq; JO). Had the C's bowed out early, we'd be an undesirable destination and we'd be talking about rebuilding now. All this is, of course, an opinion -- but, Boston is cold and snowy in the winter and less appealing to FAs no matter how persuasive Danny is.  Good FAs come here for a chance to win, or not at all.