5 Big Man Rotation

[ManchesterCelticsFan]

When Perk comes back, assuming he's healthy and in-shape enough to play meaningful minutes by the end of the year and/or playoffs, how do you think Doc will distribute the 96 Power Forward and Center minutes among the 5 proven Big-Men? Using KG at Small Forward for 5-10 minutes a game could help add more minutes to play the 5 Big Men Rotation -- do you think that is feasible for the 35 year old KG, a year or so removed from his knee injury/surgery? Usually Doc runs a 4-Big-Man rotation but I believe he will have no choice but to play all 5, at least in the regular season. Do you think that will change to 4 in the playoffs assuming all 5 are healthy? Who might be the odd man out?

I want to see a minute distribution like this during the regular season when Perkins is back and assuming he's capable:

KP = 20 mins
KG = 28 mins (Save him for the playoffs!!!)
JO = 18 mins (he's getting the MLE so he should play more than ShaQ)
BB = 15 mins
SQ = 15 mins

If KG plays 4-8 mins or so at SF then add a 1-2 mins to the other 4 Big Man average totals

Playoffs Minute Distribution

KP = 25 mins
KG = 35 mins
JO = 12 mins
BB = 12 mins
SQ = 12 mins

Maybe you could even sit one of the backup bigman but if all 3 are performing, that keeps everyone fresh and ready to go when the C's matchup against Pau/Bynum again. I predict Big Baby being the least happy about his minutes in a 5-Big Man Rotation unless he's getting his usual 16-18+ mins/game. JO and SQ came here to "win a champshionship" and JO's getting paid to do it while ShaQ already got paid the last couple decades. Perkins should get his minutes no matter what, at least by the playoffs if he's back to last years level.

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IMO, with both having expiring contracts and (most likely) wanting long-term deals next summer (despite the uncertainty of the new CBA), either BBD or Perk will be gone by the trade deadline IF (big IF) it looks like Perk will be ready to play 20 minutes in the playoffs. 

I think Perk will again take security over top $$, and BBD will again seek a paycheck in the FA market, his first as an unrestricted.

Sidebar:  BBD has seriously bad luck:  great playoff performance, but no offers due to his restricted status, so he takes the 2-year deal from the C's, only to have that expire right before a potential lockout and new CBA that will probably negatively affect the guaranteed length/money that a role player like him would be likely to get.

I also think, despite the 2-year deal, that Shaq is a one-year rental, and probably won't get more than the 15 minutes that you have here.  He's basically getting Powe-esque minutes, and will likely produce well in that time and role.

The other 80 minutes can be split 30/30 with KG, and JO, 20 for BBD, and 16 for Shaq. 

Perk, coming back, will probably get no more than 10 minutes, taking a few minutes from (or filling in for an injured or resting) JO and Shaq.

If it looks good, Doc might run a 5-man rotation, with the super-low minutes, and demand a high-level of energy on the boards in exchange for fewer minutes of work.  At least that's what I hope.

[MVP]

We wont play a 5 big rotation in the playoffs and KG can't play sf. If everyone is healthy, there's a good chance that we would trade Big Baby for help at the wing or just play the 4 best bigs and the 5th one will sit and get spot minutes whenever the other bigs are in foul trouble.

[Jon]

A few things:

1) By the time Perk gets back, it's quite possible (and maybe even quite likely) that someone else will be out.  Hopefully it'll just be something small though. 

2) I agree that it's also quite possible that if Perk rehabs well, BBD could be traded.  That's not a bash on him, that's an acknowledgment of reality.  It may be very expensive to keep him next summer, so much so that it could affect cap room in a few years.  If Danny feels he can get value for him that can help us now and in the future, he may do it. 

3) I do think KG can play SOME 3.  I know everyone says he "can't," but he definitely wouldn't be the slowest 3 in the league.  More to the point, there are quite a few teams who actually have 3/4 hybrids anyway, like the Lakers.  If KG is going to guard Odom at the 4, I don't see why he can't guard Odom if he's in the game as a 3.  Furthermore, if Doc does the matchup correctly, KG in the game at the 3 against someone's backup 3 could be devastating.  Most backups 3s in this league aren't big offensive threats.  Moreover, some 6-6 scrub could be destroyed in the post by KG or whoever else he is forced to guard. 

[Tai]

It comes down to the injury situation to me at the end of the day.

If it's around the trade deadline and Perk looks like he'll be coming back healthy and strong for the playoffs, then a trade probably happens with BBD, or maybe even Perk himself. Who knows? If one of our other bigs are hurt for an extended period of time (or the season, god forbid) , then obviously a trade can't happen. Or, the 2nd big out for an extended period of time is played less come playoff time.

I don't what else you can read into at this point. I mean, IMO, if it means KG plays at the 3 for a while, so be it with a 5 big rotation. I mean, assuming Perkins comes back in March or even April, that's not a lot of games (or minutes) for KG (or even BBD?) to play at the 3, especially against the right guys. Yeah, and I'm sure no one wants to hear BBD at the 3 for any longer than absolutely necessary, but if we do have 5 bigs, that's probably what's gonna have to happen. Again, it wouldn't be for long in the regular season, and whatever can happen come playoff time.

[guava_wrench]

I don't see us play 5 guys at PF/C in many games unless there is foul trouble or if players alternate halves. I don't see underutilizing everyone being a wise approach, especially in the playoffs.

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I don't see us play 5 guys at PF/C in many games unless there is foul trouble or if players alternate halves. I don't see underutilizing everyone being a wise approach, especially in the playoffs.

Could we keep all five, and if all are healthy, will someone accept a DNP/CD?  Will Shaq accept being held out of a game?  Does BBD deserve to play every night?  If Perk is okay to play limited minutes, does he get minutes over someone else if they're all playing great?

I don't think a 5-guy rotation can last long, so if Perk establishes himself before the deadline, someone's gone.

[moiso]

I don't see us play 5 guys at PF/C in many games unless there is foul trouble or if players alternate halves. I don't see underutilizing everyone being a wise approach, especially in the playoffs.

Could we keep all five, and if all are healthy, will someone accept a DNP/CD?  Will Shaq accept being held out of a game?  Does BBD deserve to play every night?  If Perk is okay to play limited minutes, does he get minutes over someone else if they're all playing great?

I don't think a 5-guy rotation can last long, so if Perk establishes himself before the deadline, someone's gone.

Shaq and JO have no problem sitting games out to recover from bumps and bruises.

[ben]

correction:  *FOUR* man big rotation
I thinks this will happen for playoffs:

KP 30 min
KG 30min
JO 18 min
SO 18 min

simple.

[LilRip]

doc said before something along the lines of how you don't want to play guys for short minutes because it throws them off their rhythm. I think having 5 big men will do exactly that. someone needs to pick up DNPCD's for the betterment of the team, even if they do have the talent to be out there on the court.



- LilRip

[billysan]

I think it is obvious that having 5 (big) guys capable of starter or rotation minutes is a luxury most other NBA teams will not enjoy this season. It is also apparent that Perk will not start the season as one of those 5 and may not join the rotation for significant minutes until late February. This is where Doc will have to make the decision to go back to Perk out of loyalty or stay with a (hopefully) productive group of 4 that have developed chemistry.

The possiblility also exists that one of the 4 playing while Perk is out will be injured or underperforming to the point we will be screaming for Perk to come back.

I expect Shaq and maybe KG will be ready for shortened minutes (to rest for the playoffs) allowing Perk to play himself back into shape by Valentines day or so. At least that would be my best case scenario.

[Bankshot]

doc said before something along the lines of how you don't want to play guys for short minutes because it throws them off their rhythm. I think having 5 big men will do exactly that. someone needs to pick up DNPCD's for the betterment of the team, even if they do have the talent to be out there on the court.



- LilRip

I think Shaq and KG will get lots of rest if they can.  If the C's can go back to blowing teams out like in 2008, it can work.

[Birdbrain]

When Perk comes back, assuming he's healthy and in-shape enough to play meaningful minutes by the end of the year and/or playoffs, how do you think Doc will distribute the 96 Power Forward and Center minutes among the 5 proven Big-Men? Using KG at Small Forward for 5-10 minutes a game could help add more minutes to play the 5 Big Men Rotation -- do you think that is feasible for the 35 year old KG, a year or so removed from his knee injury/surgery? Usually Doc runs a 4-Big-Man rotation but I believe he will have no choice but to play all 5, at least in the regular season. Do you think that will change to 4 in the playoffs assuming all 5 are healthy? Who might be the odd man out?

I want to see a minute distribution like this during the regular season when Perkins is back and assuming he's capable:

KP = 20 mins
KG = 28 mins (Save him for the playoffs!!!)
JO = 18 mins (he's getting the MLE so he should play more than ShaQ)
BB = 15 mins
SQ = 15 mins

If KG plays 4-8 mins or so at SF then add a 1-2 mins to the other 4 Big Man average totals

Playoffs Minute Distribution

KP = 25 mins
KG = 35 mins
JO = 12 mins
BB = 12 mins
SQ = 12 mins

Maybe you could even sit one of the backup bigman but if all 3 are performing, that keeps everyone fresh and ready to go when the C's matchup against Pau/Bynum again. I predict Big Baby being the least happy about his minutes in a 5-Big Man Rotation unless he's getting his usual 16-18+ mins/game. JO and SQ came here to "win a champshionship" and JO's getting paid to do it while ShaQ already got paid the last couple decades. Perkins should get his minutes no matter what, at least by the playoffs if he's back to last years level.

Setting aside KP because it's probably 50/50 whether he'll be able to contribute this season.

Regular Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 30 BBD 20

Post Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 34 BBD 16 (might end up getting some of the center mins)

If Perkins comes back somewhat healthy Reg season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 12
KG 28 BBD 18

Post Season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 15
KG 34 BBD 11 

I don't see anyway DA can make a trade diminishing what appears to be our main strength to get a 10 min a game wing unless someone is available that knocks his socks off. lol.

We will pound teams into submission.

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[billysan]

When Perk comes back, assuming he's healthy and in-shape enough to play meaningful minutes by the end of the year and/or playoffs, how do you think Doc will distribute the 96 Power Forward and Center minutes among the 5 proven Big-Men? Using KG at Small Forward for 5-10 minutes a game could help add more minutes to play the 5 Big Men Rotation -- do you think that is feasible for the 35 year old KG, a year or so removed from his knee injury/surgery? Usually Doc runs a 4-Big-Man rotation but I believe he will have no choice but to play all 5, at least in the regular season. Do you think that will change to 4 in the playoffs assuming all 5 are healthy? Who might be the odd man out?

I want to see a minute distribution like this during the regular season when Perkins is back and assuming he's capable:

KP = 20 mins
KG = 28 mins (Save him for the playoffs!!!)
JO = 18 mins (he's getting the MLE so he should play more than ShaQ)
BB = 15 mins
SQ = 15 mins

If KG plays 4-8 mins or so at SF then add a 1-2 mins to the other 4 Big Man average totals

Playoffs Minute Distribution

KP = 25 mins
KG = 35 mins
JO = 12 mins
BB = 12 mins
SQ = 12 mins

Maybe you could even sit one of the backup bigman but if all 3 are performing, that keeps everyone fresh and ready to go when the C's matchup against Pau/Bynum again. I predict Big Baby being the least happy about his minutes in a 5-Big Man Rotation unless he's getting his usual 16-18+ mins/game. JO and SQ came here to "win a champshionship" and JO's getting paid to do it while ShaQ already got paid the last couple decades. Perkins should get his minutes no matter what, at least by the playoffs if he's back to last years level.

Setting aside KP because it's probably 50/50 whether he'll be able to contribute this season.

Regular Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 30 BBD 20

Post Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 34 BBD 16 (might end up getting some of the center mins)

If Perkins comes back somewhat healthy Reg season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 12
KG 28 BBD 18

Post Season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 15
KG 34 BBD 11  

I don't see anyway DA can make a trade diminishing what appears to be our main strength to get a 10 min a game wing unless someone is available that knocks his socks off. lol.

We will pound teams into submission.

#18

I agree that this is a very realistic scenario. Chances are, there will be a decent player available from a team tryin to do a 'we are out of it salary dump' prior to the lock out. This is where we need to keep our eyes open for a bargain, but it will be a contract with more than a year or two left most likely. Contract length will curb Danny's enthusiasm IMO.

[ManchesterCelticsFan]

When Perk comes back, assuming he's healthy and in-shape enough to play meaningful minutes by the end of the year and/or playoffs, how do you think Doc will distribute the 96 Power Forward and Center minutes among the 5 proven Big-Men? Using KG at Small Forward for 5-10 minutes a game could help add more minutes to play the 5 Big Men Rotation -- do you think that is feasible for the 35 year old KG, a year or so removed from his knee injury/surgery? Usually Doc runs a 4-Big-Man rotation but I believe he will have no choice but to play all 5, at least in the regular season. Do you think that will change to 4 in the playoffs assuming all 5 are healthy? Who might be the odd man out?

I want to see a minute distribution like this during the regular season when Perkins is back and assuming he's capable:

KP = 20 mins
KG = 28 mins (Save him for the playoffs!!!)
JO = 18 mins (he's getting the MLE so he should play more than ShaQ)
BB = 15 mins
SQ = 15 mins

If KG plays 4-8 mins or so at SF then add a 1-2 mins to the other 4 Big Man average totals

Playoffs Minute Distribution

KP = 25 mins
KG = 35 mins
JO = 12 mins
BB = 12 mins
SQ = 12 mins

Maybe you could even sit one of the backup bigman but if all 3 are performing, that keeps everyone fresh and ready to go when the C's matchup against Pau/Bynum again. I predict Big Baby being the least happy about his minutes in a 5-Big Man Rotation unless he's getting his usual 16-18+ mins/game. JO and SQ came here to "win a champshionship" and JO's getting paid to do it while ShaQ already got paid the last couple decades. Perkins should get his minutes no matter what, at least by the playoffs if he's back to last years level.

Setting aside KP because it's probably 50/50 whether he'll be able to contribute this season.

Regular Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 30 BBD 20

Post Season:

JO 26 SO 20
KG 34 BBD 16 (might end up getting some of the center mins)

If Perkins comes back somewhat healthy Reg season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 12
KG 28 BBD 18

Post Season:

JO 23 SO 15 KP 15
KG 34 BBD 11 

I don't see anyway DA can make a trade diminishing what appears to be our main strength to get a 10 min a game wing unless someone is available that knocks his socks off. lol.

We will pound teams into submission.

#18

Agreed with only trading for a wing that "knocks his socks off". We lost game 7 largely due to having only 3 Big Men with 1 injured. (and LA going to the FT Line...) I'd like to keep all 5 and only trade BB or KP if we can get Rasheed Wallace back. (is that possible cap experts?) I'm sure he won't mind DNP (because he's lazy and retired) as long as we can motivate him to stay in shape for emergencies. I'm loving having 5 capable Big Men which is why I want Doc to find minutes for them and keep them satisfied. Adding ShaQ probably tips the scale against the Miami's of the league where we can foul the crap out of driving LBJ and DW and abuse their Big Men while having capable Big Men on the floor at all times. The Big Men competition for minutes hopefully improves the C's rebounding woes also.