T.J Ford buyout hopefully doesn't send him to Miami..

[csfansince60s]

South Beach....He may not have been real effective with an anemic Pacers team, but he would bring a lot to the table with  that group assembled down there. http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68642/20100811/pacers_ford_negotiating_buyout/

[Chris]

I would have to imagine there will be a lot more teams looking for his services.  Charlotte for example still needs a PG, and would likely give him a portion of their MLE.  I am sure there are other teams who would give him more than the minimum as well.

[KCattheStripe]

TJ Ford is a less talented, shorter version of DWade. He would actually hurt them.

[csfansince60s]

I would have to imagine there will be a lot more teams looking for his services.  Charlotte for example still needs a PG, and would likely give him a portion of their MLE.  I am sure there are other teams who would give him more than the minimum as well.

Hope your right, Chris, and he doesn't go the Posey/Quisy route: i.e. play for a serious discount to prove himself and get a ring and then the full MLE the following year. (Obviously worked for Pose and not Quis).

[Chris]

TJ Ford is a less talented, shorter version of DWade. He would actually hurt them.

I don't know if I see the comparison.  I think he is much more of a pure PG, and is a better shooter.  The problem is he can't stay healthy.  If he were healthy, he would be a top 10-15 PG in the league, and would be like a smaller Tony Parker.

[Tai]

I thought Miami was out of roster spots.

[KCattheStripe]

TJ Ford is a less talented, shorter version of DWade. He would actually hurt them.

I don't know if I see the comparison.  I think he is much more of a pure PG, and is a better shooter.  The problem is he can't stay healthy.  If he were healthy, he would be a top 10-15 PG in the league, and would be like a smaller Tony Parker.

TJ Ford is a lifetime 30% shooter from 3 and 43% from the field.

[Mike-Dub]

I would hate if somehow Miami got TJ and Posey!

[celticsclay]

I brought this up in another thread, but didn't get a concrete answer. It looks like Miami has either 15 or 14 players under guaranteed contracts for next year as is. While I am sure this isn't the actual rules, I don't think they should be allowed to sign additional players if they are over the salary cap and are already at 15 guaranteed. That kind of goes against the allowing minimum guys if you are over the salary cap to fill out your roster clause.....

[Roy Hobbs]

I've always liked T.J. Ford, but there's no denying that he wears out his welcome with franchises.

[Roy Hobbs]

I brought this up in another thread, but didn't get a concrete answer. It looks like Miami has either 15 or 14 players under guaranteed contracts for next year as is. While I am sure this isn't the actual rules, I don't think they should be allowed to sign additional players if they are over the salary cap and are already at 15 guaranteed. That kind of goes against the allowing minimum guys if you are over the salary cap to fill out your roster clause.....

During the summer, teams can sign as many players as they want to minimum deals, and can have as many players on their roster as they want.  (For instance, the Celtics currently have 16 players under contract).  They have to get below 15 prior to opening night.

[Who]

I hope TJ Ford does land in Miami. He would be a very bad fit and hurt that squad considerably.

TJ Ford needs the ball in his hands to be an effective player and if he has the ball in his hands then D-Wade and LeBron do not have the ball. Just not enough touches to go around between the three of them ... and any touches that go away from MVP caliber players to TJ Ford weakens Miami. Makes them easier to defeat.

TJ Ford is an ineffective player once the ball is taken out of his hands and he's asked to be more of a facilitator rather than a playmaker. As we've seen in Indiana. He just isn't comfortable in this role. His lack of a jump shot and diminutive size makes him a poor player off the ball offensively. 

Miami needs to continue to concentrate on filling out their roster with role players who do not need touches to effect a game (J.Anthony, Y.Haslem, M.Miller, J.Jones, Z.Ilgauskas and even their point guards relatively speaking). They've done this well so far and that is one of the main reasons why LeBron + Wade should have the ball in their hands so much next season.

[Who]

Miami needs to continue to concentrate on filling out their roster with role players who do not need touches to effect a game (J.Anthony, Y.Haslem, M.Miller, J.Jones, Z.Ilgauskas and even their point guards relatively speaking). They've done this well so far and that is one of the main reasons why LeBron + Wade should have the ball in their hands so much next season.

Boston has gone the opposite route filling their supporting cast with high usage role players like Jermaine O'Neal, Shaquille O'Neal, Von Wafer and Nate Robinson.

The only role players who don't need the ball in their hands a large amount of the time are Glen Davis (sometimes a high usage role player) and Marquis Daniels.

As a result lot more of Boston's possessions are going to be used by their role players.

[Celtics4ever]

Z and Miller need the ball to affect the game.  Z is more a shooting center than defender or rebounder.  Miller needs to ball to be effective so I have to disagree with your assessment on these two, Roy. 

Ilgauskas especially is not known for rebounding, shotblocking or defense but he is 7'3" at the end of the day.  He may get an offensive rebound here or there but he is primarily a jumpshooter from mid range.  While he won't create shots and will require dishes from his team mates to score.   I think he is a good center for MIA's offense, he plays a lot of high post with will allow them to penetrate from the wings.  He might muck with Bosh's game but he will help LeBron and Wade.  But he isnt a good rebounder or defender and has had many health issues with his feet.  MIA may be a very poor offensive rebounding team.  I can see them being one and done on a lot of possessions.

Miller often dominated the ball on past teams he is a versatile all around player who had decent stats across the board but needed the ball.   I thought both of these signings were ones that defied the logic of not needing the ball.

This is definitely true of Haslem and Anthony however, they don't need the ball.

[Who]

Z and Miller need the ball to affect the game.  Z is more a shooting center than defender or rebounder.  Miller needs to ball to be effective so I have to disagree with your assessment on these two, Roy. 

Ilgauskas especially is not known for rebounding, shotblocking or defense but he is 7'3" at the end of the day.  He may get an offensive rebound here or there but he is primarily a jumpshooter from mid range.  While he won't create shots and will require dishes from his team mates to score.   I think he is a good center for MIA's offense, he plays a lot of high post with will allow them to penetrate from the wings.  He might muck with Bosh's game but he will help LeBron and Wade.  But he isnt a good rebounder or defender and has had many health issues with his feet.  MIA may be a very poor offensive rebounding team.  I can see them being one and done on a lot of possessions.

Miller often dominated the ball on past teams he is a versatile all around player who had decent stats across the board but needed the ball.   I thought both of these signings were ones that defied the logic of not needing the ball.

This is definitely true of Haslem and Anthony however, they don't need the ball.

Over the last two seasons Mike Miller has become far more passive offensively. He has only been taking 8.5 shot attempts per 36 minutes which is in line with what Kendrick Perkins takes for the Celtics and lower than every other rotation player on the Celtics roster.

Ergo, Miller only requires a small amount of touches and shot attempts. A low usage player.

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I agree with your description of Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

Where we differ is that I consider players who finish plays (for example, a stand still shooter like Jason Kapono or Troy Murphy) and allow others to spend their time on the ball and make the key plays (like Wade or Bron setting up the shooting opportunity) ... I consider those players (offensively orientated players) to be players who do not need the ball in their hands to be effective. They spend most of their time without the basketball allowing others to create the opportunity and only step up to finish a play.

In contrast to role players like Jannero Pargo or Leandro Barbosa or Al Harrington who (1) spend a lot of time on the basketball (2) and/or like to create their offense and/or (3) take a lot of shot attempts.