It may be time to "get the band back together"

[ScoobyDoo]

Ok, now that we have signed Shaq for the Vet min, here are my moves if I'm Danny.

1. There is no way I trade Big Baby for Rudy Fernandez. I don't like trading Big for small. Also, KG just came off injury, Shaq is 38, Perk is down, and Jermaine has had nagging injuries. Baby can play both the PF and Center at least fairly well and he's young, energetic and has little to no injury history. I am not trading him for Fernandez.

2. I am not trading Avery Bradley for Fernandez either.

3. I would offer Portland Gaffney, Lafayette and a 1st round pick and give them a deadline to accept or decline.

4. If they decline I immediately go after Delonte West. He's a Head case, but:
A) He's tough as nails
B) He knows our system and can play off and point
C) Boston, with our vets is probably a good place for him to be. He also knwos Doc well. So he'd have a good chance to "level out" in Boston.
D) I never heard of any problems with Delonte when he was here, other than he was a little crazy, but Ainge liked him and so did the teammates.

5. I then try to move Sheed's contract for an athletic SF who can play defense. I'm not sure who it is but I'm sure Ainge has a list he's trying to work on along these lines.

6. If I can't secure one of the top 2-3 defensive minded small forwards I'm targeting with Sheed's contract ( I'm thinking Battier, Corey Brewer, Jamario Moon, etc..., whoever it might be.

7. I trade Rasheed to New Orleans for Posey. I take my chances that Posey is more bored than "done" down in NO. I take my chances that he will get rededicated being around KG, Pierce and Ray nad I take my chances he can give us 15 minutes a night of that nasty, antagonistic defense we miss. I dont' even need him to score much , we've got alot of shooter now. I just need him to come in play nasty D for 15 minutes a night and throw some hard fouls around.
And be that glue guy for us again.

We bring back Delonte and we bring back Posey.

We "get the band back together".
Posey for Sheed works
Posey's contract is up next year like everyone elses, so he's tradeable as an expiring next season if he shows he has nothing left. But I dont' believe that.

Shaq / J. O'neal / Perkins
KG / Baby / Harangody
Pierce / Posey / Daniels
Ray / DWest / Wafer
Rondo / Nate / Bradley

That team, if it stays healthy, wins a chanpionship in crushing fashion.

I really like the edgy toughness both Posey and Dwest bring, along with Shaq.We havent' had that "edgy toughness" on this team since, oh, 2008, last time we raised one.

Perkins / Shaq / KG / Baby / Posey / DWest = Dirty work guys

Plus all the other high flying talent like Ray, Paul, Nate, Rondo, Wafer

=

Championship

   

   

[Jon]

The only thing about West and Fernandez is that they're both smallish.  Wafer and Daniels aren't exactly huge either.  While we can probably get by at the 3 with what we have, I'd prefer adding a legit 6-7 or 6-8 3 instead of going after yet another guy who is probably better suited to play the 2. 

I don't know exactly who is available who fits that bill though. 

[fairweatherfan]

Between Nate, Bradley, and Wafer, both Delonte and Rudy don't seem to have much of a place in this team.  Rudy in particular probably won't want to go to another team that can't give him many minutes, since that was his beef with Portland in the first place.

A legit backup 3 who can play pesky D off the bench seems to be the only missing piece in terms of lineups.  Hopefully we can use Sheed's deal for that, but if we have to choose between trading Sheed for Posey or waiting until mid-season to move Sheed to a team desperate to dump salary, I think we wait til mid-season.  We can do better than Posey at this point for the kind of $ Sheed is making.

Otherwise I think we don't need any more moves.

[Jon]

Between Nate, Bradley, and Wafer, both Delonte and Rudy don't seem to have much of a place in this team.  Rudy in particular probably won't want to go to another team that can't give him many minutes, since that was his beef with Portland in the first place.

A legit backup 3 who can play pesky D off the bench seems to be the only missing piece in terms of lineups.  Hopefully we can use Sheed's deal for that, but if we have to choose between trading Sheed for Posey or waiting until mid-season to move Sheed to a team desperate to dump salary, I think we wait til mid-season.  We can do better than Posey at this point for the kind of $ Sheed is making.

Otherwise I think we don't need any more moves.

Can we do better than Posey?  We all like to think so.  But if there were teams jumping to get Sheed's deal, it probably would've happened already. 

Let me go on record right now and say assuming that we can't swing some mega deal for someone great, I wouldn't be opposed to trading Sheed for Posey.  He'd be great backing up Pierce, and with Daniels and Wafer here, we wouldn't need him backing up the 2. 

[the_Bird]

I think people are overvaluing 'Sheed's contract.  It's no more valuable than a trade exemption like what Cleveland got in the LeBron sign-and-trade.  It's only going to be useful to make the dollars work, if another team wants one of our few trade assets:

Big Game Davis; I'm loath to give him up both because of the injury issues and because he's been pretty [dang] productive

Avery Bradley; we need SOME young guys to develop, and if the kid really can play NBA-level D already we may see him contribute sooner rather than later

1st round picks; not going to be THAT valuable to other teams since we're likely to win enough games where the 2011 pick will be ~#20 - 24.  In later years, we're going to need those picks for rebuilding.  How bad would it suck in 2012 for the team to be terrible *and* to not own our first round pick (kind of like what happened to the Knicks this year?)

On its own, though, 'Sheed's deal is only going to get you a "meh" player on a bad contract.  Think, Nochioni (or Posey).

[KungPoweChicken]

Cool ideas. I like the idea of bringing in West for the minimum (even though he can be a headcase). I think it's worth the risk.


Here are a few of the ideas I've noodled with:

1) Trade Perkins, Wallace's contract, and a future first to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince.

2) Trade Wallace's contract and a future first to Houston for Shane Battier (not a lot of incentive for Houston).

3) Trade Davis to Minnesota for Corey Brewer (not a big fan of this move).


I personally love the idea of parting with Perkins, Wallace, and a future first for Prince. Detroit is looking for front court help, Perkins is still young, and could most likely be extended by Detroit for cheap. I don't think Prince is in their future plans.


More importantly, for the C's, Prince is everything they need. He's versatile, can knock down the three, and can defend the best players in the league: yes, I'm talking about LeBron and Kobe. This is basically a Perk for Prince deal, and I think it is pretty fair.

Robinson, West, Prince, Davis, and O'Neal would be an insane bench.

[Jon]

Cool ideas. I like the idea of bringing in West for the minimum (even though he can be a headcase). I think it's worth the risk.


Here are a few of the ideas I've noodled with:

1) Trade Perkins, Wallace's contract, and a future first to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince.

2) Trade Wallace's contract and a future first to Houston for Shane Battier (not a lot of incentive for Houston).

3) Trade Davis to Minnesota for Corey Brewer (not a big fan of this move).


I personally love the idea of parting with Perkins, Wallace, and a future first for Prince. Detroit is looking for front court help, Perkins is still young, and could most likely be extended by Detroit for cheap. I don't think Prince is in their future plans.


More importantly, for the C's, Prince is everything they need. He's versatile, can knock down the three, and can defend the best players in the league: yes, I'm talking about LeBron and Kobe. This is basically a Perk for Prince deal, and I think it is pretty fair.

Robinson, West, Prince, Davis, and O'Neal would be an insane bench.

I like the Prince idea too.  While I'm very hesitatnt to give up Perkins, I feel that given the fact that he might not be 100% this year and that Danny might not re-sign him this summer, getting something for him right now might be worth it.

And while you can argue that we need him for Orlando, it's also possible that he doesn't make it back OR that given his health, Shaq and Jermaine will simply beat him out. 

I think I might take those odds over Wafer and Daniels being enough to persuade Doc not to run Pierce and Allen into the ground. 

[ScoobyDoo]

Agreed re the draft pick issues. Tough to give them up, especially since Ainge does well with them.

But I think Rudy would be worth one 1st round pick, plus Gaffney and Lafayette. Mostly because I don't think we'll be anywhere near the lottery in the next two years, even if one of our big three goes down. Not with this team.  

Therefore, I'd make a take it or leave it proposal to Portland for Fernandez. If they leave it, I'd sign DWest. Actually I might sign Dwest anyway. I like him better as a player...

The trade deadline is an issue, I also agree on that. That we might be able to get better value from teams in salary dump mode...

But like I'm also ecstatic that for the first time in Rondo's time here Ainge has actually put a legit back up behind him with Nate Robinson AND at the start of the season so he can mesh and build all year...

I really liek the idea of getting whoever we can get behind Paul in here NOW, atthe beginning of the season so they too can mesh and find rhythym, all season.

Re Posey? Could we do better? I'm only asking a guy to play 15-20 minutes a night. I want a defender who can hit a few threes...

Posey knows our system. He's a glue guy. He's a hard hitting nasty vet. If he can smell a ring, he'll get dialed in and do whatever it takes to get it. He's a glue guy, big time. And he brings a tough edge. He knwos how to hit people hard with getting T'd up.

I really like the Posey / DWest combo off the bench.

I think Posey still has it in the tank if he's in the right situation.

He'a a money man. He's going to wallow if he's arounda bunch of stiffs.

I might take my chances with him.

Get the band back together.

[LooseCannon]

I think people are overvaluing 'Sheed's contract.  It's no more valuable than a trade exemption like what Cleveland got in the LeBron sign-and-trade.  

It's less valuable than a trade exemption.

[ScoobyDoo]

I love the Battier idea, would do that in a heart beat obviously. Battier is actually the best fit in the league for what we're looking for and I always thought he should be a Celtic anyway.

I also love the Tayshaun Prince idea but I would not under any circumstances, give up Perkins.

Even with all his deficiencies, I beleive Perkins is one of the most underrated players in the league. It's hard to measure what Perkins does based on the box score of how much he fumbles the ball.

He does stuff that no one else really likes to do and he's one of the very best in the league at it; Post Defense, it helps you win rings. I'm not sure I'd ever give up Perkins. I also think since his game is more predicated on strength and positioning than speed and hops, that he'll be just fine in time.

But I'd trade Big Baby for Prince perhaps.

My main goal in getting Pierce's back though, is someone with enough physical strength to at least slwo LeBron down. I like Posey more for that than Prince. Though I guess Prince could just try to move James to the help defense.

Can Nocioni play any defense, or is he jsut an offensive hot head?       

[celticpride07]

i think the smart thing to do is to not expect Perkins to be back this year..maybe playoffs..but we probably don't need to rush him this year...this is why i think rasheed wallace is coming back..Perkins is our future and we would be fools to rush his recovery...this 5 man big man rotation is still the best in the league without Perkins

J. O'neal/S. O'neal/Wallace
Garnett/Davis/Wallace

[Rashi]

i think the smart thing to do is to not expect Perkins to be back this year..maybe playoffs..but we probably don't need to rush him this year...this is why i think rasheed wallace is coming back..Perkins is our future and we would be fools to rush his recovery...this 5 man big man rotation is still the best in the league without Perkins

J. O'neal/S. O'neal/Wallace
Garnett/Davis/Wallace

I agree with this. The C's should not try to rush Perks back, because last time when KG rushed himself back, he reinjured himself which made the recovery harder for him.

I think Sheed should come back (I'd rather have him be the player sitting at the end of the bench than Scal or Finley) and we could try to get West for the vet min or Rudy for a pick.

[the_Bird]

I don't see Perk as having much trade value.  Even if he comes back by February, it's not realistic to expect him to really be BACK until the playoffs.  

His main appeal would be o teams than might need him for a deep playoff run, who we aren't going to trade him to.

For other teams, he's an expiring contract.  He's going to get paid next summer, probably $8M - $10M/year unless his rehab goes horribly, horrible wrong (he can't be worth less than Brendan Haywood).  Some team *might* want to acquire him so that they would have his Bird rights next summer, but that's not much of a reason to pay him this year).

If Perk weren't hurt, I think they'd be putting out quiet feelers on the expectation that he'll be too expensive to bring back.  With his injury, I just don't see his value as being very great around the league, so keep him around for OUR playoff run and so that WE keep his Bird rights.

More valuable to us than to anyone else.

[ScoobyDoo]

I could live with that. I'm all for making sure Perk gets healthy long term.

In this case, I'd go straight for DWest and I'd call Harangody into my office and tell him to drop another 15 lbs and be ready to play some minutes at the three cause we're throwing you into the fire head first if necessary, and from day one.

Shaq / O'Neal / Baby
KG / Wallace / Baby
Pierce / Daniels / Gody
Ray / DWest / Wafer
Rondo / Nate / Bradley

I really like Posey throwing elbows in the middle of that lineup, but I could live with Sheed coming back too.

[ScoobyDoo]

Agreed the_Bird, I think if Perkins plays at all this year, it may be off the bench come playoff time.

But if he's recoverd, how sweet would that be? Be able to bring a defensive stopper off the bench to throw on a guy after he's been dealing with Shaq, J. O'Neal and KG?

That's a little disheartening if you're on the court and the guy coming off the bench at you is Perkins.

That's exactly the role I'm hoping Perkins plays this year. This would also allow Shaq to play good minutes all season and hopefully get in decent shape.

I'd love to see Shaq drop about 20-30 lbs. He would regain so much stamina and quickness.