Shaq wants to be a Celtic

[KungPoweChicken]

First off, there's no need to insult my basketball intelligence

Second, I'm not arguing that Perk is a better offensive player than Shaq. I merely was stating that Shaq was in no way dominant or earth shakingly better than Perk any more at this time of his career, offensively. And the stats were to refute your claim that Shaq made Perk and Davis look small in the playoffs. He did no such thing, either from an observational, non measurable way of looking at things or through stats. He was okay offensively and below average defensively. Perk and Davis were bad offensively and good to great defensively. Seems a pretty even trade off considering what wins championships.

If you put Perk on any bad defensive team in the league, his "defensive stats" would be lousy too. Perk almost always plays when the starters are on the floor. Put Perkins on the Wolves, and he will no longer be "a great defensive low post center," like Alonzo Morning and Dikembe Mutombo were. Perk is nothing more than solid. And this idea that we can't replace his defense is asinine. Shaq is an upgrade.

[Celtics4ever]

If New Orleans blows it up, I would try to peel off Okafor for Davis and Sheed 's contract and let Shaq walk.  I heard ATL wants to dump Horton too.  Both would be better options.

[BballTim]

Firstly, Perk is a huge factor in Boston's lack of offensive efficiency.  That's because his lack of production or even potential to produce offense forces the other 4 players on the court to compensate.

  We aren't a very inefficient offensive team, and our inefficiency is due mainly to turnovers and a lack of offensive rebounding. Shaq won't help a ton with either of these situations. He'll help a little with the offense, especially late in the clock, but I don't think he'll make us much more efficient. 

[hpantazo]

Firstly, Perk is a huge factor in Boston's lack of offensive efficiency.  That's because his lack of production or even potential to produce offense forces the other 4 players on the court to compensate.

  We aren't a very inefficient offensive team, and our inefficiency is due mainly to turnovers and a lack of offensive rebounding. Shaq won't help a ton with either of these situations. He'll help a little with the offense, especially late in the clock, but I don't think he'll make us much more efficient. 

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

[soap07]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

[lon3lytoaster]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

[Green Hell]

S&T Sheed and next year's 1st round pick for Shaq+Parker and sign Eddie House for the vet min.

[lon3lytoaster]

S&T Sheed and next year's 1st round pick for Shaq+Parker and sign Eddie House for the vet min.

A first rounder for Shaq and Parker? I mean, I like the basics of the deal alright but a first from us would be crazy.

[nickagneta]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

[lon3lytoaster]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

Perk doesn't look for his own offense unless Rondo or Pierce get him a wide open dunk. Sure, he's improved on his offensive game leaps and bounds since he came into the league (anyone else remember the backboard breaking hook shots?) but Shaq actually does work in the post... So I'm not surprised.

And either way you want to slice it, I'll always be content with someone shooting over 50 percent from the field, but Shaq's still a far superior offensive player, despite the marginal FG percent difference.

[Tradetime]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

Perk doesn't look for his own offense unless Rondo or Pierce get him a wide open dunk. Sure, he's improved on his offensive game leaps and bounds since he came into the league (anyone else remember the backboard breaking hook shots?) but Shaq actually does work in the post... So I'm not surprised.

And either way you want to slice it, I'll always be content with someone shooting over 50 percent from the field, but Shaq's still a far superior offensive player, despite the marginal FG percent difference.

Shaq has made a living as one of the most dominant post players in NBA history. Perk.... is a nice compliment to the big 3.

There is no question that Shaq could help this team. Why is there even an argument over this? Perk may not even play this year.

[hpantazo]

S&T Sheed and next year's 1st round pick for Shaq+Parker and sign Eddie House for the vet min.

A first rounder for Shaq and Parker? I mean, I like the basics of the deal alright but a first from us would be crazy.

what exactly should we expect a late first rounder in next year's draft to land us? Most likely another questionable rookie who we have to sign to a contract for a few years, send to the NBDL, and then cut. If it was a mid to early 1st round pick, yea, I would not want to trade it, but barring some major long term injury problems, it will be a late 1st rounder, so I'm fine with sending it out.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.

[KungPoweChicken]

Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.

Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?

In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.

Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...?

[slamtheking]

S&T Sheed and next year's 1st round pick for Shaq+Parker and sign Eddie House for the vet min.

A first rounder for Shaq and Parker? I mean, I like the basics of the deal alright but a first from us would be crazy.

what exactly should we expect a late first rounder in next year's draft to land us? Most likely another questionable rookie who we have to sign to a contract for a few years, send to the NBDL, and then cut. If it was a mid to early 1st round pick, yea, I would not want to trade it, but barring some major long term injury problems, it will be a late 1st rounder, so I'm fine with sending it out.

I think you're assuming a lot with how they'll perform next year.  They played into the 19th pick which is mid-round.  I don't see them doing any better next year.  They'll be a year older, have realized they need to conserve themselves for the playoffs and will be without Perk until probably the all-star break if not longer and then when they have Perk he won't be as good as he was last year.  throw in the fact that they have a lesser-bench than last year with no TA to back up PP and Ray.  Sure, they'll have Nate for a full season this time but do you think that'll really improve their seasonal record much if at all?

Keep all future picks because it's far less likely for this team to have a record that puts them at the end of the round than the middle.