Package Sheed's contract + Perk?

[MBunge]

With Perk hurt for a lot of this upcoming season and entering the final year of his current contract, do you think Danny should consider adding him together with Sheed's deal in a trade?  Combined, they're worth 10.6 million dollars, which would certainly open up more trading options.  For example, throw in some filler from Boston's side and you might be able to swing a deal with Cleveland for Shaq and Mo Williams.

I'm not saying that'd be the best deal to try for, but given Perk's likely salary demands and his limitations as a player, should Ainge use him as an asset to maximize the chance for a title over the next two years or is a young big like Perk to valuable for the rebuilding process that'll soon begin?

Mike

[Who]

Nobody is going to give up value for Perkins while he is out with a serious injury.

He needs to come back and prove his fitness first ... which he won't be able to do until after the trading deadline by the sounds of it.

[wdleehi]

Perk will be worth more to the team come playoff time then he is worth in a trade while injured.

[MBz]

Perk will be worth more to the team come playoff time then he is worth in a trade while injured.

I agree and even if not, it should make him very easy for the Celtics to resign him at an affordable price.

[MBunge]

Nobody is going to give up value for Perkins while he is out with a serious injury.

He needs to come back and prove his fitness first ... which he won't be able to do until after the trading deadline by the sounds of it.

Just to stick with Cleveland as an example, I'm pretty sure they'd like to get out from under the contracts for Mo, Varejao, Antawn Jamison and Daniel Gibson, even if they got nothing but salary cap relief out of it.

Mike

[birdwatcher]

Why give up one of the best defensive big men in the game? So what if he can't score. We need a guy like Perk, and he's still very young. He may be injured, but he'll just come back stronger--what else will he have to do besides workout and watch film?

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Absolutely.  This season will be basically lost for Perk because he'll be rehabbing, and if he comes back at the ASB, his timing and conditioning will need work.  He won't be the Perk we need by the start of the first round.

And then he becomes a free agent, and who knows what will happen then.

I think we have two years to work with until Miami is fully stocked.  If trading Perk to match salaries gets a player than can help next season, then by all means, the C's would be better if he goes.

And a trade with Cleveland makes perfect sense.  125%+$100K of Sheed plus Perk would be enough to fill the roster with rotation players at the level we need.

[wdleehi]

Nobody is going to give up value for Perkins while he is out with a serious injury.

He needs to come back and prove his fitness first ... which he won't be able to do until after the trading deadline by the sounds of it.

Just to stick with Cleveland as an example, I'm pretty sure they'd like to get out from under the contracts for Mo, Varejao, Antawn Jamison and Daniel Gibson, even if they got nothing but salary cap relief out of it.

Mike

Not going to happen.  It goes against Ainge's long term money plans. 

[Brendan]

I see Perk as having some value for a team in the same way they would take an expiring contract, even one they don't want to shed other salary. So Perk + Sheed works. If the C's don't feel they can resign Perk, all the better. And for the receiving team rather than one big expiring of ~12 million, it transforms into a 5 million dollar deal (maybe insured, but who knows.) With a chance you might be able to resign Perk for a decent amount (or maybe do a S&T.) But Perk won't be seen as an asset in that trade.

Additionally come playoffs I'm expecting Perk to be ready to go - which means he's our third or fourth big... we need to get a big anyways for the season, but now that big needs to be championship rotation material.

If Sheed wanted to come back late in the season and the trade partner was going to buy him out, I could be talked into this...

Let's say Philly doesn't want to pay Iggy:

Sheed + Perk for Iggy, I would do that in .01 seconds. (Assuming I could get Pierce and his four year deal to play off the bench.) Sign Kurt Thomas. My rotations:

JO / Kurt Thomas
KG / BBD / Pierce
Iggy / Pierce
Ray Allen / Pierce / Nate
Rondo / Nate

Then if Sheed wants to make a late season run, you bring him back at vet min.

But that's probably the only way I do it - some talent of that caliber, that could really help the team. I don't think Philly does this specifically because there isn't a talent coming back that they can sell to their fan base.

[KCattheStripe]

I see Perk as having some value for a team in the same way they would take an expiring contract, even one they don't want to shed other salary. So Perk + Sheed works. If the C's don't feel they can resign Perk, all the better. And for the receiving team rather than one big expiring of ~12 million, it transforms into a 5 million dollar deal (maybe insured, but who knows.) With a chance you might be able to resign Perk for a decent amount (or maybe do a S&T.) But Perk won't be seen as an asset in that trade.

Additionally come playoffs I'm expecting Perk to be ready to go - which means he's our third or fourth big... we need to get a big anyways for the season, but now that big needs to be championship rotation material.

If Sheed wanted to come back late in the season and the trade partner was going to buy him out, I could be talked into this...

Let's say Philly doesn't want to pay Iggy:

Sheed + Perk for Iggy, I would do that in .01 seconds. (Assuming I could get Pierce and his four year deal to play off the bench.) Sign Kurt Thomas. My rotations:

JO / Kurt Thomas
KG / BBD / Pierce
Iggy / Pierce
Ray Allen / Pierce / Nate
Rondo / Nate

Then if Sheed wants to make a late season run, you bring him back at vet min.

But that's probably the only way I do it - some talent of that caliber, that could really help the team. I don't think Philly does this specifically because there isn't a talent coming back that they can sell to their fan base.

Why is Pierce coming off the bench?

[wdleehi]

Absolutely.  This season will be basically lost for Perk because he'll be rehabbing, and if he comes back at the ASB, his timing and conditioning will need work.  He won't be the Perk we need by the start of the first round.

And then he becomes a free agent, and who knows what will happen then.

I think we have two years to work with until Miami is fully stocked.  If trading Perk to match salaries gets a player than can help next season, then by all means, the C's would be better if he goes.

And a trade with Cleveland makes perfect sense.  125%+$100K of Sheed plus Perk would be enough to fill the roster with rotation players at the level we need.

How do we know Perk is lost for the season?


Come playoff time, he is going to be needed.  The only way I see a big name coming for Wallace and Perk right now is if the big name is overpayed for many, many seasons.  

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Nobody is going to give up value for Perkins while he is out with a serious injury.

He needs to come back and prove his fitness first ... which he won't be able to do until after the trading deadline by the sounds of it.

Just to stick with Cleveland as an example, I'm pretty sure they'd like to get out from under the contracts for Mo, Varejao, Antawn Jamison and Daniel Gibson, even if they got nothing but salary cap relief out of it.

Mike

Not going to happen.  It goes against Ainge's long term money plans. 

Jamison's contract expires with Ray, KG, and JO.  They might want to move him to dump salary and also make room for Hickson.

I'm not sure I'd go for it, but a deal could be made w/o committing money past 2012.

[action781]

Why give up one of the best defensive big men in the game? So what if he can't score. We need a guy like Perk, and he's still very young. He may be injured, but he'll just come back stronger--what else will he have to do besides workout and watch film?

I actually do have a problem with the fact that Perk can't score.  People seem very content about our future with Perk at center.  Over the past 3 years, Perk has been a phenomenal defensive stalwart in the paint for us.  We have been very successful because he hasn't needed to score and does his role superbly.  The reason he hasn't had to score is because he's surrounded by Rondo and 3 future HOF'ers who all have been able to score 23+ ppg for multiple seasons in their careers.  That is a true rarity.

Looking forward, he will have the same point guard, who indeed should improve.  But, there is large doubt that he will have 3 bonafide scorers at his side though.  Rondo is never going to be a bonafide scorer, he may reach 20 ppg on a contending team which would be his ceiling.  Perk might sniff 10 ppg a few times.  Without 3 other premier scorers (like I said are very difficult to obtain), I think this team might be too offensively challenged to contend perennially.  Look at how our team struggled midseason with just 1 of our stars out or playing hurt.

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Absolutely.  This season will be basically lost for Perk because he'll be rehabbing, and if he comes back at the ASB, his timing and conditioning will need work.  He won't be the Perk we need by the start of the first round.

And then he becomes a free agent, and who knows what will happen then.

I think we have two years to work with until Miami is fully stocked.  If trading Perk to match salaries gets a player than can help next season, then by all means, the C's would be better if he goes.

And a trade with Cleveland makes perfect sense.  125%+$100K of Sheed plus Perk would be enough to fill the roster with rotation players at the level we need.

How do we know Perk is lost for the season?


Come playoff time, he is going to be needed.  The only way I see a big name coming for Wallace and Perk right now is if the big name is overpayed for many, many seasons.  

Probably not "lost" for the season, but not 100% either.  I don't think the Perk we often talk about "needing" is any less than 100%.  Since it takes about a year to come back to from from this injury, and it happened in June, it is highly doubtful that the player some are expressing a need for will exist, and some other, less useful version won't get it done.

We don't need Perk, we need someone to fill a role.  IMO, Perk is less than 50/50 at being capable, due to health, of filling that role, even by the playoffs.  JO will do fine filling in Perk's 28 minutes, and then some, if he can stay on the court.  

I probably don't hold him at the same level of esteem as others do.  He's a role player, after all, so combining his contract with Sheed's (and the other guys, Oliver and Tony) in a trade to bring back a player that is both more talented and actually able to play for the next two years just seems like a no-brainer to me.

[pearljammer10]

Did you just propose trading a 24 year old Perkins for a 38 year old Shaq?