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Didn't know T.Allen and S.Williams were valued so high
« on: July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM »

Offline bbd24

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I've never heard people crying so much about a [dang] good roster.  Even Pierce has to chime in yesterday with his comments about adding more players.  We won't need a bench Paul, unless you get outplayed by guys like Ron Artest again. Who did you lose ?  ok, Allen and Williams are gone.  So what. Thats a big deal?  I've never seen this many posters come out of the woodwork in support of T.A.  It suprises me with some of the posts on here.

You got Ray Allen back.
You got Paul Pierce back.
You signed Jermaine O'neal (who replaces Wallace if he's retiring).
You now got Nate back.

Thats a helluva offseason, btw.  Especially when your trying to keep a championship team intact.

You have a roster now that includes:
Rondo
Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Perkins(out til Jan/Feb)

The bench:

O'neal
Baby
Nate
Bradley

Others like Scal, Gody, etc. remain to be seen. Yes, I realize they need another big.  Another wing. Its not like Bosh2 is available out there and will sign at 1 million per.  Same goes with the wing player.

How many players did Doc even play in the finals ?  playoffs ? 8-9 man rotation ?

If your really missing S.Williams, why not just add T. Gaffney or bring Scal back ? Does it really matter who the 12th man is ?

Nobody knows what Bradley brings. Not sure what Ainge expects out of him. He could bring M.Banks game, or he could be R. Westbrook.  Nobody knows.

When your paying guys like Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, and O'neal, where is the other money going to come from to afford a "Paul Pierce" wanted free agent ?  Its not like you can afford Bosh or Lebron Paul.  Theres a reason its 'slim pickins'.

You guys are linked to every solid free agent thats affordable (Barnes, Shaq, Fernandez, etc.).   What more can you do ?  This isn't playstation Paul.  There are money rules a gm has to abide by.


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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 12:46:25 PM »

Offline Surferdad

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Sure there are money rules, but how about a trade with Sheed's contract?
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 12:47:23 PM »

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Who wanted Williams back?  I don't think anyone valued him. At least I didn't. 

Yes Tony is valued high, imo.  He was the best perimeter defender we had and there is no one available to us that can play the same level of defense.
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Re: Didn't know T.Allen and S.Williams were valued so high
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 12:51:38 PM »

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Quote from: bbd24 on July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
I've never heard people crying so much about a [dang] good roster.  Even Pierce has to chime in yesterday with his comments about adding more players.  We won't need a bench Paul, unless you get outplayed by guys like Ron Artest again.

Pierce is my fav player, but he totally got owned by Artest. He should tuck it for a while, cause Artest took his manhood in Game 6 & 7.

Ainge is doing his best with amount resource available to him.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 12:55:58 PM »

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Quote from: Change on July 16, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: bbd24 on July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
I've never heard people crying so much about a [dang] good roster.  Even Pierce has to chime in yesterday with his comments about adding more players.  We won't need a bench Paul, unless you get outplayed by guys like Ron Artest again.

Pierce is my fav player, but he totally got owned by Artest. He should tuck it for a while, cause Artest took his manhood in Game 6 & 7.

Ainge is doing his best with amount resource available to him.

Agreed on Pierce.  Danny is doing a great job with his options and I've liked all the contract lengths and prices except the guarenteed 4th on Pierce's (ironic with him complaining).

Pierce doesn't seem to know there's a salary cap.  We can still turn Sheed's contract into a wing and we need a vet min big.  Then we're all set.  We ran with a short rotation anyways.  Bring on Harangody and Gaffney too to round us out.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2010, 12:58:53 PM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on July 16, 2010, 12:46:25 PM
Sure there are money rules, but how about a trade with Sheed's contract?

Any trade could definitely still happen for a big or another wing. Rasheeds contract could be of use. That was always the more likely scenario if the C's were to add another big name. I'd rather have Sheed come back and be the backup 4/5 then whats out there.  Its not like they can trade the contract for a O'neal/Gasol type player.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2010, 01:13:36 PM »

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I think Paul was particularly worried that we would lose both Tony and Nate.  No longer a concern. We clearly have some options now to replace Tony, whether it is Barnes, Fernandez, Brewer or Howard. Think our chances of getting at least one of those guys is pretty good. Two would be fantastic.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM »

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Quote from: Bankshot on July 16, 2010, 12:47:23 PM
Who wanted Williams back?  I don't think anyone valued him. At least I didn't. 

Yes Tony is valued high, imo.  He was the best perimeter defender we had and there is no one available to us that can play the same level of defense.

  I haven't seen anyone really crying about Shelden leaving either.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 01:33:23 PM »

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I wont cry for Tony, unless we don't find some type of suitable replacement for him.

Sheldon...let the door hit cha where the good lord split yah!
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2010, 01:37:06 PM »

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Quote from: bbd24 on July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
I've never heard people crying so much about a [dang] good roster.  Even Pierce has to chime in yesterday with his comments about adding more players.  We won't need a bench Paul, unless you get outplayed by guys like Ron Artest again.

The bench is particularly important for Boston, because the bench will be relied upon during the regular season to keep the Big Three's minutes down, to keep them rested and ready for the playoffs.

Come playoffs, it is a different story. 

I'd say of all the teams in the NBA, the bench is the most important for the Celtics (given that they are contenders, and that they are so old).  Second is probably Lakers (also getting old).
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2010, 01:41:58 PM »

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I think Paul is worried because he has no backup. When he made the comments, we had no legit backup at the 1, 2 or 3. Now Nate has resigned, so we have a 1.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 01:54:32 PM »

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My first question is... Who is Gody?
Quote from: bbd24 on July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM

Others like Scal, Gody, etc. remain to be seen. Yes, I realize they need another big.  Another wing. Its not like Bosh2 is available out there and will sign at 1 million per.  Same goes with the wing player.


Didnt know Gody was a big part of our bench last year... Anyway.

I love the starting lineup obviously. But Perk is going to be until maybe the All Star game in Feb... With Oneal starting that leaves us a bench of:

Nate
Baby
Bradley

Yes i agree Danny has done a nice just getting Pierce, Allen, Nate, and JO...

But until Feb, thats an 8 man roster with NO wings and NO bigs! If you think thats a championship team I would beg to differ...
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 02:09:38 PM »

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Quote from: pearljammer10 on July 16, 2010, 01:54:32 PM
My first question is... Who is Gody?
Quote from: bbd24 on July 16, 2010, 12:40:56 PM

Others like Scal, Gody, etc. remain to be seen. Yes, I realize they need another big.  Another wing. Its not like Bosh2 is available out there and will sign at 1 million per.  Same goes with the wing player.


Didnt know Gody was a big part of our bench last year... Anyway.

I love the starting lineup obviously. But Perk is going to be until maybe the All Star game in Feb... With Oneal starting that leaves us a bench of:

Nate
Baby
Bradley

Yes i agree Danny has done a nice just getting Pierce, Allen, Nate, and JO...

But until Feb, thats an 8 man roster with NO wings and NO bigs! If you think thats a championship team I would beg to differ...

  Nobody knows who Danny will ign, but I can't believe that people believe that he won't sign anyone at all.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 02:11:26 PM »

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I've fine with Tony leaving.  I'd like to see us sign a couple of more wings and another big man.  It may make sense to bring Daniels back as one of those wings; he's a lot better than he showed last season.
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Re: Didn't know T.Allen and S.Williams were valued so high
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 02:14:12 PM »

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Quote from: BballTim on July 16, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
Quote from: Bankshot on July 16, 2010, 12:47:23 PM
Who wanted Williams back?  I don't think anyone valued him. At least I didn't. 

Yes Tony is valued high, imo.  He was the best perimeter defender we had and there is no one available to us that can play the same level of defense.

  I haven't seen anyone really crying about Shelden leaving either.

Thats just it.  2 guys leave, and suddenly its like Paul and Ray Allen left.
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