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It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« on: July 09, 2010, 11:28:10 AM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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It's not what he did, it's how he did it that's so damaging.

If I'm Lebron, I'd definately want to go to Miami with Wade and Bosh. Great weather, Miami beach, women everywhere, great chance to win titles, you're loaded, the world is your oyster. All that is fine. Why wouldn't you want that situation, in that environment, playing with your friends, guys you're tight with. I can tell you I wouldn't want to be in Cleveland at that age.

But he just played with Cleveland, his home town. His decision to leave will affect alot of people's lives, working class people and their livelihoods. And then there is the sense of hope that especially cities that are struggling attach to their teams, etc.

That being said, it's still perfectly fine to leave, it is his life and I blame him not one bit. He has no responsibility to live his life in chains to the citizens of Cleveland. But to do it the way he did?

The guy is about two years old, with a mentality of a one year old. He's the biggest egomaniac I've ever seen and it gives you the taste of vomit in your mouth watching his preening and prancing and the ridiculous nature of the one hour special. What a disgusting display of inconsiderate narcissism. 

What a complete ass with zero class. Class is what generally separates the real icons of our game, They possess the rare combination of transcendent talent with humility and class. Bird, Magic and Jordan had it and displayed it at least in regards to their career and to the game. Of our young guns, I would say Kevin Durant is the torch bearer, not Kobe, not LeBron.

LeBron is a disgrace to the game.

I hope we completely beat the crap out of Bosh in the post  and Brony Bron throws up another egg against us on our way to banner #18.     

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 11:34:14 AM »

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I agree.  I think leaving the Cavs made sense.  Given the structure of the salary cap system, it was going to take a long time for them to actually be able to bring someone in who could help him. 

I wonder how this all will work out.  LeBron isn't selfish from a passing standpoint, but this special clearly showed he's selfish in some way.  He also specifically said last night "it's not about sharing" when he was asked how they all three of them can share the ball. 

This has the potential, and hopefully will, blow up. 

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 11:34:59 AM »

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Agreed.  I feel so bad for Cleveland the way he left.  It looks like game 5 against the Celtics was orchestrated by Lebron.  Maybe he wanted to play bad so they wouldn't want him back? And they way he tore off his Cleveland jersey and tossed it after the series was over signified he wasn't going back to Cleveland.

But I don't understand why he had to have his own one hour special to let everyone know that he was going to Miami, when he should have had a press conference with Wade and Bosh, you know, the normal thing to do?  He started off even before they played a game together, setting himself apart from the team.

Just disgraceful.  

And I don't want to hear that he did this for the Boys & Girls club.  If he wanted to donate to the Boys & Girls club, he could have just written a check.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 12:27:06 PM »

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Agreed. He could have just:

1. Donated the check to the girls and boys club. That was a facade, the show was all about him. Then the announcers would come back and say "Lebron has another announcement!.." and he show up and talk about his donations. When was the alst time you saw Duncan, one of the biggest community supporters and charitable givers, advertise his charity like this clown?

2. Sit down with Dan Gilbert, like a man with some class, and just tell him you are leaving and why.

3. Make a short press release with very little fanfare

4. Put a two page run in the Sunday paper, thanking the city of Cleveland and their fans for everything, hoping they can understand it was a career choice like we all have to make with in our professions throughout our lives...

5. Get on a plane and go rip it up in Miami with your new team and try to win some championships.

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 12:36:40 PM »

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When the Celtics new big three were formed, it was all about we. KG was the star, yet he deflected all attention to the 3.

Lebron was all about me during this free agent process that lasted 2 years. His first public appearance as a member of the Heat was grossly selfish. The chemistry in Miami will be interesting to observe.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 12:47:19 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 12:54:40 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 02:59:12 PM »

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Yes October you may be right re Miller. But I don't think they will have as hard of a time filling it out with guys who cna give them 10-15 rest a night as people think.

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 03:13:09 PM »

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When the Celtics new big three were formed, it was all about we. KG was the star, yet he deflected all attention to the 3.

Lebron was all about me during this free agent process that lasted 2 years. His first public appearance as a member of the Heat was grossly selfish. The chemistry in Miami will be interesting to observe.
I agree that the press conference was self-centered and ridiculous, but I don't see that carrying over to the way the team plays. These guys have played together already for the national team and all star games. They are very familiar with one another.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 03:14:49 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 03:15:45 PM »

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I think it was a smart business decision to make the announcement the way Lebron did.

He made it a spectacle. People watched.


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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 03:16:16 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 03:41:05 PM »

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there is no way James and Wade can play together.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 03:43:39 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
mike miller on the clippers makes a very interesting team to me

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 04:07:15 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.

Link? How does Miami have the funds with all the cap holds?