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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2010, 01:44:52 PM »

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This must mean that at least one of the following is true:  1) Lebron isn't signing with Miami; 2) Lebron, Wade, and/or Bosh are getting less than the minimum; or 3) Beasley will be sent out in a sign-and-trade.

even if Beasley is sent out, is that enough to sign lebron, wade, bosh, and still give 27 million to Miller?
You do realize that they won't be giving Miller the full contract value in the first year, don't you?

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2010, 01:49:36 PM »

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Several things
1. I doubt all 3 take less money.
2. Is Miami smart to be giving up their remaining cap space to sign a back up when they have no starting center?
5. Would they go small with Chalmers/Wade/Miller/LeBron/Bosh?
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 01:50:57 PM »

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PG: Wade
SG: Miller
SF: LeBron
PF: Bosh
C: Anthony

With Chalmers off the bench. I suppose he could play PG in a small-ball lineup, with Bosh and James in the frontcourt, and Wade and Miller on the wings.
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 01:54:46 PM »

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This must mean that at least one of the following is true:  1) Lebron isn't signing with Miami; 2) Lebron, Wade, and/or Bosh are getting less than the minimum; or 3) Beasley will be sent out in a sign-and-trade.

even if Beasley is sent out, is that enough to sign lebron, wade, bosh, and still give 27 million to Miller?
You do realize that they won't be giving Miller the full contract value in the first year, don't you?

obviously, but miami has almost zero cap space to sign anyone over the vet min if they do give 3 max contracts

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 01:57:36 PM »

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You guys need to realize that Lebron is not going to Miami. There's no way in hell. "OMG how is this MM pickup possible?!? How can they sign Lebron!?" Boo-freakin-hoo! He's not going to Miami, that's how!!!

They're getting ready for a team without Lebron. "Very confident" my ass. Let's get this straight none of these ESPN guys really KNOWS anything. Its all speculation. As is my opinion. But I would be willing to bet the house he does not sign with Miami.

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2010, 02:04:29 PM »

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This must mean that at least one of the following is true:  1) Lebron isn't signing with Miami; 2) Lebron, Wade, and/or Bosh are getting less than the maximum; or 3) Beasley will be sent out in a sign-and-trade.

.. or (4) Mike Miller was not offered the deal.
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2010, 02:20:28 PM »

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Okay, here's Miami's best case cap scenario, if their "big three" take max deals:

Lebron: $16.6 million
Bosh:  $16.6 million
Wade:  $16.6 million
Beasley: $5 million
Chalmers: $0.85 million

Cap Hold (x8) = $3.8 million

Joel Anthony: renounced (could re-sign for minimum deal)

With all of the above, the Heat are actually over the cap, at $59.45 million.  That means that to sign Miller, each of the free agents would have to take less, and Beasley would have to be included in a sign-and-trade.

So, this scenario works:

Beasley traded straight up for Miller
Miller signs for $5 million
"Big three" sign for $16 million each

That would bring the Heat to $57.65 million, or very slightly below the cap.

I believe James Jones also has a buyout caphold of about 1.6mil....
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2010, 02:38:18 PM »

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You guys need to realize that Lebron is not going to Miami. There's no way in hell. "OMG how is this MM pickup possible?!? How can they sign Lebron!?" Boo-freakin-hoo! He's not going to Miami, that's how!!!

They're getting ready for a team without Lebron. "Very confident" my ass. Let's get this straight none of these ESPN guys really KNOWS anything. Its all speculation. As is my opinion. But I would be willing to bet the house he does not sign with Miami.

If Mike Miller was going to Miami just to play for Lebron, wouldnt he have signed this deal already?  If my memory serves me correct him and Lebron are close.  Miami telling him their confident doesnt mean anything, Miller would be able to call James himself and ask if he should sign here or not.
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2010, 02:40:39 PM »

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seeing as Wade and Bron both need to control the ball... having a real point guard would just mess things up even more.  The reason the Celtics succeeded is because they had defined roles.  Pierce could create his own shot.. KG was mostly used for pick and pops... Ray came off screens.  

Wade and Bron are both ball-dominating players.   One of them is going to need a drastic role change, but one of them will still be controlling the ball.    Mike Miller makes that team scary... 50% shooter and shot 48% from three.  If they have a guy out there spreading the floor and getting tons of open looks... that team is wild.

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2010, 02:40:51 PM »

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alanhahn    Hearing Miami is close to completing a three-team deal to move Michael Beasley and get a trade exception back to open up more cap space.

Hmm, I wonder which team...NJ? OKC? Washington?

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2010, 02:43:30 PM »

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So, why would Mike Miller sign this deal?  Isn't it less per-year than Outlaw just got?  Given what's happened in the first eight days of free agency, Mike Miller looks a lot more like an $8M player than a MLE-level guy.

EDIT: Outlaw got 5/$35.  Mike Miller's worth more than Travis Outlaw.  I could see Chicago (assuming they lose out on LeBron) making him a very nice offer about eight hours from now, as he would be a near-perfect complement to the Rose/Deng/Boozer core.
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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 02:47:15 PM »

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alanhahn    Hearing Miami is close to completing a three-team deal to move Michael Beasley and get a trade exception back to open up more cap space.

Hmm, I wonder which team...NJ? OKC? Washington?

That doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense; trade exceptions count against a team's cap, and therefore wouldn't fee up any room.  Essentially, whether you're talking about Beasley or Beasley's contract value, it counts the same against Miami's cap space.

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Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2010, 02:48:52 PM »

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Okay, here's Miami's best case cap scenario, if their "big three" take max deals:

Lebron: $16.6 million
Bosh:  $16.6 million
Wade:  $16.6 million
Beasley: $5 million
Chalmers: $0.85 million

Cap Hold (x8) = $3.8 million

Joel Anthony: renounced (could re-sign for minimum deal)

With all of the above, the Heat are actually over the cap, at $59.45 million.  That means that to sign Miller, each of the free agents would have to take less, and Beasley would have to be included in a sign-and-trade.

So, this scenario works:

Beasley traded straight up for Miller
Miller signs for $5 million
"Big three" sign for $16 million each

That would bring the Heat to $57.65 million, or very slightly below the cap.

...and still without a point guard to distribute the ball.

Don't need a PG with Lebron; he would be defacto PG. Question is can Wade play off the ball well, with Lebron doing most of the handle. I have my doubts.

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 02:51:17 PM »

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Okay, here's Miami's best case cap scenario, if their "big three" take max deals:

Lebron: $16.6 million
Bosh:  $16.6 million
Wade:  $16.6 million
Beasley: $5 million
Chalmers: $0.85 million

Cap Hold (x8) = $3.8 million

Joel Anthony: renounced (could re-sign for minimum deal)

With all of the above, the Heat are actually over the cap, at $59.45 million.  That means that to sign Miller, each of the free agents would have to take less, and Beasley would have to be included in a sign-and-trade.

So, this scenario works:

Beasley traded straight up for Miller
Miller signs for $5 million
"Big three" sign for $16 million each

That would bring the Heat to $57.65 million, or very slightly below the cap.

...and still without a point guard to distribute the ball.

Don't need a PG with Lebron; he would be defacto PG. Question is can Wade play off the ball well, with Lebron doing most of the handle. I have my doubts.

Don't necessarily need a traditional PG, but need someone who can hit the 3.  Gotta keep the floor spaced to let LeBron and Wade work.

Chalmers hit 32% last year.  Very streaky, and just not good enough.

Re: Mke Miller offered 5 year- 27 million by the Heat
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 02:57:40 PM »

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Okay, here's Miami's best case cap scenario, if their "big three" take max deals:

Lebron: $16.6 million
Bosh:  $16.6 million
Wade:  $16.6 million
Beasley: $5 million
Chalmers: $0.85 million

Cap Hold (x8) = $3.8 million

Joel Anthony: renounced (could re-sign for minimum deal)

With all of the above, the Heat are actually over the cap, at $59.45 million.  That means that to sign Miller, each of the free agents would have to take less, and Beasley would have to be included in a sign-and-trade.

So, this scenario works:

Beasley traded straight up for Miller
Miller signs for $5 million
"Big three" sign for $16 million each

That would bring the Heat to $57.65 million, or very slightly below the cap.

...and then they fill the rest of the roster with cardboard cutouts?
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