T-Mac

[GreenEnvy]

Thoughts on T-Mac
1. Only at the Vet Min preferably non guaranteed.
2. He was coming off Microfracture surgery which usually takes a while to recover from.
3. It's not like he's ancient, he's younger than all of the big three (31)
4. What better way to give his career some life than catch on with a contending team.
5. He probably has a good relationship with Doc from his Orlando days.
6. Even if we sign on, he can't be counted on. If we sign him but have no other options it's a bad signing. If we sign him but don't count on him and he plays great we've made a great move. Low reward high risk.

He's getting a guaranteed contract next season, no doubt.

He should be healthier and age shouldn't be of concern for him, he doesn't have THAT many games under his belt for a high schooler.

He'd be a fool to go anywhere but to a contender.

I'm not too sure him and Doc are that tight, didn't he lobby for a new coach after they started something like 0-17, which subsequently led to Doc's departure.

And yes he really needs to be a low risk, high reward guy. I mean make it clear there are minutes available at the wing positions, but they need to be earned. Or go out and get Mike Miller and tell him to warm the pine and stay in shape.

[Evantime34]

On a terrible Knicks team, with that big game included, he averaged 9.4 points with 38% shooting (24% from 3 point land)


Throw in how much worse the Knicks were defensively when he was on the court vs off, I am missing the positive, even if it was for the league min.



I rather spend the spot on a real roll player.  One of the defender/shooters (like Jones who was just released to create cap room)

Would you rather have D League fill in like Lafayette or Gaffney than him?

If you think of him as taking up a role player's spot with the Vet Min then of course you don't want him. If you think of him as an end of the bench guy who could end up playing well and getting time there is no reason not to be on board.

[sdceltsfan]

Everyone opposed to this is forgetting that we only have the MLE to work with and most of that HAS to be thrown to overpaying for big-man help b/c of Perks injury. We only have other Vet-wings and D-leaguers to chose from to fill a wing spot on the bench.....there should at least be an attempt to discuss T-Mac, management can assess whether or not he's willing to assume that role on our team. If it works out, I would be stoked personally. He has proven that he can be an offensive spark, and hopefully he can realize that he needs to start from the bottom before he gets back to the all-star caliber play. We don't need him to score 20 pts a game for us.....but he has the ability as a ceiling, so how is that a worse option then say Tony Gaffney?

[Jon]

Everyone opposed to this is forgetting that we only have the MLE to work with and most of that HAS to be thrown to overpaying for big-man help b/c of Perks injury. We only have other Vet-wings and D-leaguers to chose from to fill a wing spot on the bench.....there should at least be an attempt to discuss T-Mac, management can assess whether or not he's willing to assume that role on our team. If it works out, I would be stoked personally. He has proven that he can be an offensive spark, and hopefully he can realize that he needs to start from the bottom before he gets back to the all-star caliber play. We don't need him to score 20 pts a game for us.....but he has the ability as a ceiling, so how is that a worse option then say Tony Gaffney?

The thing is, I'm not so sure we have to overpay for big men.  I mean Perk should be back by Jan./Feb., certainly by the playoffs.  If this team brings back Ray and improves the bench in other ways, there's no reason this team couldn't make the playoffs with even subpar big men.  And once Perk gets back, there's no reason to think that the bulk of the 4/5 minutes can't be given almost entirely to KG, Perk, and BBD (even 28 mpg for each of them would only require that our 4th big play 12 mpg, and we all know that the three of them are capable of playing more than 28 mpg each). 

So if Danny can resign himself to the fact we're going to win only 50 games again and just to get healthy for the playoffs, I don't see a reason why we can't approach our free agent big men as if they're going to be our 4th and 5th big men, since come playoff time, that's all they will be. 

[wdleehi]

On a terrible Knicks team, with that big game included, he averaged 9.4 points with 38% shooting (24% from 3 point land)


Throw in how much worse the Knicks were defensively when he was on the court vs off, I am missing the positive, even if it was for the league min.



I rather spend the spot on a real roll player.  One of the defender/shooters (like Jones who was just released to create cap room)

Would you rather have D League fill in like Lafayette or Gaffney than him?

If you think of him as taking up a role player's spot with the Vet Min then of course you don't want him. If you think of him as an end of the bench guy who could end up playing well and getting time there is no reason not to be on board.

I rather go after guys like Bulter, Brewer, Dorell Wright, Bogans...

Guys that have proven they can excel in such a role player role.

[GreenEnvy]

Everyone opposed to this is forgetting that we only have the MLE to work with and most of that HAS to be thrown to overpaying for big-man help b/c of Perks injury. We only have other Vet-wings and D-leaguers to chose from to fill a wing spot on the bench.....there should at least be an attempt to discuss T-Mac, management can assess whether or not he's willing to assume that role on our team. If it works out, I would be stoked personally. He has proven that he can be an offensive spark, and hopefully he can realize that he needs to start from the bottom before he gets back to the all-star caliber play. We don't need him to score 20 pts a game for us.....but he has the ability as a ceiling, so how is that a worse option then say Tony Gaffney?

SHEED

[minijericho29]

He plays no defense; he's not an exceptional passer or rebounder; he's not a knock-down shooter; and he's not a locker-room leader.

On what planet would he be a good role player?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Scal's money or nothing...he IS a borderline Iverson in my opinion...not much on D, needs to be fed the ball..thinks nothing of going 10 for 30...and telling you he          "Got 20 poi nts a game"...big deal....anyone shooting that much will score..eventually..shooting is just adjustments and confidence ( adjustments to proper form)

  He is better than daniels..and finley...a decent scorer coming off the bench though...could add spark.....but 3-4 mill at most, not 5-6...and 1 year, maybe 2 most.....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Everyone opposed to this is forgetting that we only have the MLE to work with and most of that HAS to be thrown to overpaying for big-man help b/c of Perks injury. We only have other Vet-wings and D-leaguers to chose from to fill a wing spot on the bench.....there should at least be an attempt to discuss T-Mac, management can assess whether or not he's willing to assume that role on our team. If it works out, I would be stoked personally. He has proven that he can be an offensive spark, and hopefully he can realize that he needs to start from the bottom before he gets back to the all-star caliber play. We don't need him to score 20 pts a game for us.....but he has the ability as a ceiling, so how is that a worse option then say Tony Gaffney?

The thing is, I'm not so sure we have to overpay for big men.  I mean Perk should be back by Jan./Feb., certainly by the playoffs.  If this team brings back Ray and improves the bench in other ways, there's no reason this team couldn't make the playoffs with even subpar big men.  And once Perk gets back, there's no reason to think that the bulk of the 4/5 minutes can't be given almost entirely to KG, Perk, and BBD (even 28 mpg for each of them would only require that our 4th big play 12 mpg, and we all know that the three of them are capable of playing more than 28 mpg each). 

So if Danny can resign himself to the fact we're going to win only 50 games again and just to get healthy for the playoffs, I don't see a reason why we can't approach our free agent big men as if they're going to be our 4th and 5th big men, since come playoff time, that's all they will be. 

Perk coming back at all is more of a question mark than anything....we should plan on him NOT coming back..that was a major knee injury....a big body like that needs a lot of knee strength......the only thing in his favor is he is young..and maybe never hurt it before.....

[Jon]

Everyone opposed to this is forgetting that we only have the MLE to work with and most of that HAS to be thrown to overpaying for big-man help b/c of Perks injury. We only have other Vet-wings and D-leaguers to chose from to fill a wing spot on the bench.....there should at least be an attempt to discuss T-Mac, management can assess whether or not he's willing to assume that role on our team. If it works out, I would be stoked personally. He has proven that he can be an offensive spark, and hopefully he can realize that he needs to start from the bottom before he gets back to the all-star caliber play. We don't need him to score 20 pts a game for us.....but he has the ability as a ceiling, so how is that a worse option then say Tony Gaffney?

The thing is, I'm not so sure we have to overpay for big men.  I mean Perk should be back by Jan./Feb., certainly by the playoffs.  If this team brings back Ray and improves the bench in other ways, there's no reason this team couldn't make the playoffs with even subpar big men.  And once Perk gets back, there's no reason to think that the bulk of the 4/5 minutes can't be given almost entirely to KG, Perk, and BBD (even 28 mpg for each of them would only require that our 4th big play 12 mpg, and we all know that the three of them are capable of playing more than 28 mpg each). 

So if Danny can resign himself to the fact we're going to win only 50 games again and just to get healthy for the playoffs, I don't see a reason why we can't approach our free agent big men as if they're going to be our 4th and 5th big men, since come playoff time, that's all they will be. 

Perk coming back at all is more of a question mark than anything....we should plan on him NOT coming back..that was a major knee injury....a big body like that needs a lot of knee strength......the only thing in his favor is he is young..and maybe never hurt it before.....

I don't know.  I'm not a doctor.  But Wes Welker has made huge strides and he plays a much tougher sport and a position that requires a lot more mobility.  While I think presuming that Perkins comes back in January is problematic, I don't think presuming he'll be back for the playoffs is. 

[Brendan]

He plays no defense; he's not an exceptional passer or rebounder; he's not a knock-down shooter; and he's not a locker-room leader.

On what planet would he be a good role player?

Offensively almost all of his decline was do to increase in TOs and lower shooting %. I'm willing to gamble at Vet Min (or higher if the C's make a partial MLE signing and have some throwaway cash) on him. I'd give it a low chance of working out, but there is at least a 10-20% chance things click with his shot, and he'd immediately be the best third wing we've seen in the Big3 era. Only makes sense if a better plan doesn't come through (there are a lot of backup SFs I'd target first.)

[GreenEnvy]

He plays no defense; he's not an exceptional passer or rebounder; he's not a knock-down shooter; and he's not a locker-room leader.

On what planet would he be a good role player?

Offensively almost all of his decline was do to increase in TOs and lower shooting %. I'm willing to gamble at Vet Min (or higher if the C's make a partial MLE signing and have some throwaway cash) on him. I'd give it a low chance of working out, but there is at least a 10-20% chance things click with his shot, and he'd immediately be the best third wing we've seen in the Big3 era. Only makes sense if a better plan doesn't come through (there are a lot of backup SFs I'd target first.)

Better than Posey?...

[nickagneta]

Doc and T-Mac have history. Doc knows all the pluses and all the minuses of having T-Mac on a team. If their history was good, I believe we would already have heard of huge amounts of T-Mac to Boston rumors.

Since we haven't heard even a peep to this effect, my guess here is that Doc and T-Mac don't have a great history and/or that Doc knows that T-Mac would be a historically horrendous fit with this team.

I think a little bit of both and I think the only people who will want him here are T-Mac fans from his high flying dunking but never winning anything days.

[Jon]

He plays no defense; he's not an exceptional passer or rebounder; he's not a knock-down shooter; and he's not a locker-room leader.

On what planet would he be a good role player?

Offensively almost all of his decline was do to increase in TOs and lower shooting %. I'm willing to gamble at Vet Min (or higher if the C's make a partial MLE signing and have some throwaway cash) on him. I'd give it a low chance of working out, but there is at least a 10-20% chance things click with his shot, and he'd immediately be the best third wing we've seen in the Big3 era. Only makes sense if a better plan doesn't come through (there are a lot of backup SFs I'd target first.)

Better than Posey?...

Doesn't really matter.  Is he better than TA, or does he at least offer us some scoring that would allow Doc to rest PP and Ray more?  Yes.

Are there better options out there?  Probably.  Can they be had?  Maybe not.  

I'd certainly take T-Mac at the minimum and I'd consider more depending on how the free agent market shapes up.  

It's easy to say you don't like him when we all have visions of Mike Miller dancing in our heads.  

[GreenEnvy]

He plays no defense; he's not an exceptional passer or rebounder; he's not a knock-down shooter; and he's not a locker-room leader.

On what planet would he be a good role player?

Offensively almost all of his decline was do to increase in TOs and lower shooting %. I'm willing to gamble at Vet Min (or higher if the C's make a partial MLE signing and have some throwaway cash) on him. I'd give it a low chance of working out, but there is at least a 10-20% chance things click with his shot, and he'd immediately be the best third wing we've seen in the Big3 era. Only makes sense if a better plan doesn't come through (there are a lot of backup SFs I'd target first.)

Better than Posey?...

Doesn't really matter.  Is he better than TA, or does he at least offer us some scoring that would allow Doc to rest PP and Ray more?  Yes.

Are there better options out there?  Probably.  Can they be had?  Maybe not.  

I'd certainly take T-Mac at the minimum and I'd consider more depending on how the free agent market shapes up.  

It's easy to say you don't like him when we all have visions of Mike Miller dancing in our heads.  

I'm with ya on taking him for the VM, but I don't know how high his ceiling really is.

With the MLE and 'Sheed's contract, Ainge HAS to bring in someone better than TA and TMac for Paul and Ray.

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