Raptors "Ok" sign and trade with Bosh to Cavs (link)

[Vermont Green]

Wow, this is facinating.  Now how am I going to get anything done at work for the rest of the day.

I think Bosh's character is coming through in this; "I want my 6 year max", "I don't want to play in Cleveland"....

They can have him.  I see chemistry problems coming.  Cle/LBJ will be going after Ray Allen as well no doubt if this goes down although I am not sure I see how that happens.

Also if this goes down, I predict that Wade ends up in Chi with Boozer.  Reunite with Shaq (meaning Wade and Shaq) and that is an even scarier team than the Cle scenario in my opinion.  I don't see Bosh being all that much better than Boozer.

[Brendan]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the Big Z getting minute when Shaq is out and they are not playing small ball. Use Bosh as Center during small ball. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation becomes more conventional. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

[BballTim]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

[nickagneta]

Toronto is married to the idea of Jarrett Jack being their PG going forward. Its Calderon they want to dump and there is no way the package you described gets Calderon to Cleveland

[winsomme]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

[clover]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

Better that than everyone piling on in Chicago.  Chicago could still be a pretty good team if Wade (and Ray) go there.

[BballTim]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

  I don't think Howard would find them to be formidable, nor would Rondo. What's their interior defense going to be like?

[Who]

Varejao would be a huge loss for the Cavs.

They may need to take 12-24 months to try and replace him before being a legitimate contender.

That new look Cavs team looks very soft defensively without him.

[winsomme]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

  I don't think Howard would find them to be formidable, nor would Rondo. What's their interior defense going to be like?

I think people tend to underrate Bosh as a defender. I do think he's right, however, if Broussard's reporting is accurate that he only wants to go to CLE if he does not have to play center.

maybe they pick up Haywood , not sure...also they could get Bosh without giving up Varejao..

[BballTim]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

  I don't think Howard would find them to be formidable, nor would Rondo. What's their interior defense going to be like?

I think people tend to underrate Bosh as a defender. I do think he's right, however, if Broussard's reporting is accurate that he only wants to go to CLE if he does not have to play center.

maybe they pick up Haywood , not sure...also they could get Bosh without giving up Varejao..

  Toronto is reluctant to sign and trade Bosh, so they might not do it without Varejao. And I think Dallas wants to keep Haywood, who should get more than the MLE.

[Who]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

  I don't think Howard would find them to be formidable, nor would Rondo. What's their interior defense going to be like?

I think people tend to underrate Bosh as a defender. I do think he's right, however, if Broussard's reporting is accurate that he only wants to go to CLE if he does not have to play center.

maybe they pick up Haywood , not sure...also they could get Bosh without giving up Varejao..

I think Bosh is a guy who will flourish defensively if he gets to play alongside some talented defensive players on a defensively orientated team ... but if he has to play alongside Antawn Jamison for 30+ minutes a night that is going to be a dodgy situation.

The lack of a quality defensive big off the bench will only exacerbate the problem further as will the presence of Mo Williams and the lack of quality perimeter defenders outside of LeBron James.

[winsomme]

Also - CLE would absolutely contend with Bosh and Lebron.

Let's say TOR wants to dump a salary - CLE cannot help with Hedo or Jose in a straight trade (maybe a three way though.) Jack is the only other guy they would be dumping, so you get:

West, Parker, JJ, Andy, 1st rounder in 2012 (unprotected) for Bosh S&T, Jack

CLE can then bring Shaq back on a two year deal 10 million per year with a team option on the second year (which gives them time to add some talent via the MLE.) They sign Ray Allen or Mike Miller for MLE deals as well and sign big Z at the minimum:

Shaq / Big Z
Bosh / Jamison / Powe
Lebron / Moon
Allen or Miller / Jack
Mo Williams / Gibson

I'd play a rotation Jamison, Moon, and Jack off the bench. With the backup center getting minute of Shaq out and no small ball. Use Bosh as Center when needed. They might still be able to turn Jamison + a first into a center with a longish contract (that a team wants out of) at some point at which point in time their rotation. I wouldn't be surprises to see Powe force his way into the rotation behind Shaq as a defacto Center next to Bosh like he was occasionally with KG.

I'd plan on targeting Perk at full MLE the next year as a perfect compliment to Bosh and Lebron in the front court.

They'd have a five year window for 2012-2017 of a core of: Perk, Bosh, Lebron, Miller, Mo

  Ray's not going to Cleveland for the MLE, Miller will probably have to turn down money to go there, and I don't see that team beating us or Orlando.

wouldn't get Miller or Ray, but could get maybe an Anthony Morrow type...and that would be a pretty formidable team.

  I don't think Howard would find them to be formidable, nor would Rondo. What's their interior defense going to be like?

I think people tend to underrate Bosh as a defender. I do think he's right, however, if Broussard's reporting is accurate that he only wants to go to CLE if he does not have to play center.

maybe they pick up Haywood , not sure...also they could get Bosh without giving up Varejao..

  Toronto is reluctant to sign and trade Bosh, so they might not do it without Varejao. And I think Dallas wants to keep Haywood, who should get more than the MLE.

I guess on a certain level it's impossible to truly assess Bosh on the Cavs because we don't know what exactly CLE would have to give up and we don't know what other moves CLE would make to fill out their roster should they make the move....

that said, I think it is certainly possible that CLE adds a defensive big to play next to Bosh (something Bosh apparently wants to be part of him agreeing to go there) and it's also possible that CLE gets Bosh without giving up Varejao (instead building the deal around Hickson) and doesn't lose their defensive big off the bench....

also, what exactly does our interior defense look like at this point....not sure we should be pointing fingers at a sketchy middle. DAs got plenty of work to do to address the very same problem that CLE could have with Bosh.

All in all, I just think Bosh to the Cavs isn't great news for us....not an impossible task to get past, just something to think about...

[BballTim]

I guess on a certain level it's impossible to truly assess Bosh on the Cavs because we don't know what exactly CLE would have to give up and we don't know what other moves CLE would make to fill out their roster should they make the move....

that said, I think it is certainly possible that CLE adds a defensive big to play next to Bosh (something Bosh apparently wants to be part of him agreeing to go there) and it's also possible that CLE gets Bosh without giving up Varejao (instead building the deal around Hickson) and doesn't lose their defensive big off the bench....

also, what exactly does our interior defense look like at this point....not sure we should be pointing fingers at a sketchy middle. DAs got plenty of work to do to address the very same problem that CLE could have with Bosh.

All in all, I just think Bosh to the Cavs isn't great news for us....not an impossible task to get past, just something to think about...

  That's a lot of salaries without Varejao, and will take most of the players off the Cavs roster. And while Danny does have work to do we still have KG and the possibility of having Perk back in the lineup by the playoffs. BBD isn't a great defender but he's probably better than most of what the Cavs would have outside of Bosh.

[beantownboy171]

If the package for Bosh is Varejao, Hickson, West and Parker, well then, call me crazy but I am seriously unimpressed with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Center: Bosh
Power forward: Antawn Jamison
Small forward: LeBron James
Shooting guard: Jamario Moon
Point guard: Mo Williams

Bench: Big Z(assumes he resigns), Daniel Gibson, Jawad Williams, Leon Powe, Sebastian Telefair and ?

Sorry, but to me that is a team that once again wins a lot of regular season games, that is the darling of TNT, ESPN and ABC and the NBA front offices and who once again will not even make the Eastern Conference Finals due to a lack of toughness and heart.

If Cleveland wants to do this and Bosh does to, I'm all for it. That teams is extremely beatable in a seven game series.

Yeah, but i don't think cleveland is in a position where they can keep lebron and keep a deep team. Its either bosh and lebron, or nuttin.

[ManUp]

If Varejao leaves Cleveland, Im not to worried.

Bosh is ice cream soft.

KG on two stubs could push him around.