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T. Allen or Daniels?
« on: July 04, 2010, 05:56:49 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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Thinking a little outside the box, but here are some reasons why I think we should keep Daniels instead of TA:

1. Injuries. Daniels was considered far and away the better player just 12 months ago. He got off to a good start with us, but was derailed by the thumb injury. After that injury he lost his confidence and was just never the same. Could a healthy off-season and another year in the system be a new beginning for him and jump start his Celtics career?

2. Money. Daniels struggles means that he's unlikely to command much in the open market. We would be able to re-sign at roughly the same money (1.5-2M per) and could add a team option just in case he does bounce back. In addition, we are not going to get anyone better or with more upside than him with only the veteran minimum (would like to use the full MLE on an impact player).

3. Other teams interest in Tony Allen on the open market. There have been a lot of interest thus far, and I expect that interest to only get stronger as the max guys begin to strike deals. That said, he'll likely get a multi-year deal worth somewhere in the range of 2.5-3.5M per season. That's a big risk to match when you consider the inconsistency, injury history, and lack of basketball IQ he's shown throughout his up and down career.

4. Needs. Right now we have several of them and only have the MLE and the sign and trade of Sheed's contract to get better. By working out a T. Allen S & T, we would have yet another realistic option to better our squad. If he were to get between 2.5M to 3.5M, we would be able to get between 3.1M-4.4M back in contracts. Even more (5M-6.25M) if we would include the non-guaranteed contracts of Gaffney and Lafayette. For example, we could do a sign and trade with the Heat (a team rumored to have interest in TA) for Beasley, once the Heat have signed all their FA's and no longer have cap room to sign TA. This would allow us to obtain a 3/4 in Beasley while still having the MLE and Sheed's deal to add a shooting wing (M. Miller, Redick, or Morrow) and a big man (B.Miller, Shaq, Haywood).
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Re: T. Allen or Daniels?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 06:14:38 PM »

Offline LooseCannon

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Marquis Daniels has averaged 57 games played per season due to injuries.  Tony Allen has averaged 56.  I don't think any argument that Daniels is preferable due to health holds water.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 06:17:23 PM »

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I would be very surprised if either of these guys is signed by anyone until a week or so before camp. I would take Tony Allen over  Marquis Daniels at this point because of his tenure with the Celtics. Daniels seemed to fall out of favor with Doc and the team at the end of the year. The reason(s) for this remains unclear, but would be interesting to hear. I refuse to believe injury is the sole or main reason.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 06:26:47 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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Quote from: LooseCannon on July 04, 2010, 06:14:38 PM
Marquis Daniels has averaged 57 games played per season due to injuries.  Tony Allen has averaged 56.  I don't think any argument that Daniels is preferable due to health holds water.

I'm not saying that based only on injury, as I agree they both have their own injury history. However, TA will get a bigger contract and we could use that contract to acquire something via sign S & T, while still having another wing, and a cheaper one at that, to fall back on. It's certainly not  a stretch to think that Daniels could very well have a better and more productive year than TA next season.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 06:30:23 PM »

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I don't think Danny's given Daniels a word of praise or mention of a hoped-for return--he's out of here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 06:30:43 PM »

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Quote from: billysan on July 04, 2010, 06:17:23 PM
I would be very surprised if either of these guys is signed by anyone until a week or so before camp. I would take Tony Allen over  Marquis Daniels at this point because of his tenure with the Celtics. Daniels seemed to fall out of favor with Doc and the team at the end of the year. The reason(s) for this remains unclear, but would be interesting to hear. I refuse to believe injury is the sole or main reason.

I think there is something to this.  I'd be surprised if Daniels is back.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 06:41:41 PM »

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I would let go off both, if you can find a decent defender who isn't a blackhole on offense. But since i'd have to pick one, I'll go with TA. Both aren't that talented on O. It comes down to D. TA flustered Wade, Shutdown Kobe, and humiliated Lebron. Even the herald Posey can't pull that off.

Still though whats the point of stopping Kobe, if you can't capitalize on the other end. I'm literally hoping for a miracles that TA learns how to shoot. I wonder if he too suffers from large hands syndrome ;D.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 06:51:39 PM »

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Quote from: Change on July 04, 2010, 06:41:41 PM
I wonder if he too suffers from large hands syndrome ;D.

No, just completely horrible form.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 07:06:46 PM »

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I still don't understand why anyone would bring up the name Beasley. The guy is a non factor. Miami cannot give him away. Why would we S&T for him? He has too much baggage. Way too much baggage.
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 07:20:11 PM »

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TA > Marquis
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 07:24:38 PM »

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TA shut DOWN some of the best players in the EAST.....what else do you need, now he has more confidence, and maybe will develop more offense in the summer...MD maybe had an off year, but he didn't stack up to TA this year...keep TA, md...whatever...!
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 08:36:12 PM »

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Quote from: SCBirdman on July 04, 2010, 07:06:46 PM
I still don't understand why anyone would bring up the name Beasley. The guy is a non factor. Miami cannot give him away. Why would we S&T for him? He has too much baggage. Way too much baggage.

Beasley hasn't lived up to his potential at all. However, when you've been the #1 scoring option your entire life it's hard to change your entire game around and be a complimentary player to Wade. He's obviously handled it poorly, but he does have a lot of god given talent and TA would be a small price to pay for what Beasley, if he gets his act together, could become. Let's not forget that he still only 21 years old.

TA played great during the playoffs. However, I always worry about player performances when they're in a contract year. I'm sure he was well aware that giving 100% effort, playing hard defense, and not doing so much on offense would result in a big paycheck. Is he going to resort back to the dribbling too much, poor decision TA? It'll take at least 2.5M a year to find out.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 08:39:56 PM »

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I can't believe I am going to say this, but if I can only have one it is TA. I would like Marquis back and think if healthy from the start he'd play more like the pre-thumb injury Marquis, but that's not a guarantee.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2010, 09:15:00 PM »

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Bottom line, we can either have...

Player X (i.e. whoever we receive via TA Sign and Trade)
&
Daniels

OR

TA
&
Vet. Minimum Player

In that scenario I much rather have the Daniels tandem.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2010, 09:18:50 PM »

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TA all the way. I like Daniels, but only if you can get him on the cheap. If only one between the two, I like TA. It would be nice to get both.
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