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What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« on: July 03, 2010, 10:53:46 PM »

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Made a similar post focused on just one team, but wanted to open it up to a full thread and get people's input and it's relevant to the front page article.

Here are the maximum dollar amounts the celtics could take back in salary for the following packages:


#1: Wallace = 8.002 million
#2: Wallace+Lafayette+Gaffney = 9.908 mill
#3: Wallace+L+G+Baby = 13.658 mill
#4: Wallace+L+G+Perk = 16.021 mill
#5: Wallace+L+G+Perk+Baby = 19.771 mill
#6: Wallace+Perk+Baby = 17.865
#7: Perk+Baby+L+G = 11.868 (If Sheed won't retire :(

Future picks can be added by the Celtics to any package without changing the amount the Celtics could take back.

To me, the ideal realistic partner would:
-want to save money instantly (Wallace Retires)
-want to save long term money (all expirings)
-willing to give up superior talent to do either/both of the above
-if #4-7 (and probably #3 too) be willing to give up a center capable of 25-30 mpg.

So, who could they get?

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« Last Edit: July 03, 2010, 11:13:52 PM by Fan from VT »

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 11:01:52 PM »

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Ok someone from that front page article mentioned:


Sheed + Pick for Blatche + Young


Firstly does that work salary wise? (I am guessing it should because Blatche is getting something around 3.2-3.5).


And if yes, then would Wiz give those 2 guys up to mayb clear space or something?

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 11:03:40 PM »

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Made a similar post focused on just one team, but wanted to open it up to a full thread and get people's input and it's relevant to the front page article.

Here are the maximum dollar amounts the celtics could take back in salary for the following packages:


#1: Wallace = 8.002 million
#2: Wallace+Lafayette+Gaffney = 9.908 mill
#3: Wallace+L+G+Baby = 13.658 mill
#4: Wallace+L+G+Perk = 16.021 mill
#5: Wallace+L+G+Perk+Baby = 19.771 mill
#6: Wallace+Perk+Baby = 17.865

Future picks can be added by the Celtics to any package without changing the amount the Celtics could take back.

To me, the ideal realistic partner would:
-want to save money instantly (Wallace Retires)
-want to save long term money (all expirings)
-willing to give up superior talent to do either/both of the above
-if #4-6 (and probably #3 too) be willing to give up a center capable of 25-30 mpg.

So, who could they get?

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Not counting S&T Nate or S&T TA options though.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 11:08:02 PM »

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Made a similar post focused on just one team, but wanted to open it up to a full thread and get people's input and it's relevant to the front page article.

Here are the maximum dollar amounts the celtics could take back in salary for the following packages:


#1: Wallace = 8.002 million
#2: Wallace+Lafayette+Gaffney = 9.908 mill
#3: Wallace+L+G+Baby = 13.658 mill
#4: Wallace+L+G+Perk = 16.021 mill
#5: Wallace+L+G+Perk+Baby = 19.771 mill
#6: Wallace+Perk+Baby = 17.865

Future picks can be added by the Celtics to any package without changing the amount the Celtics could take back.

To me, the ideal realistic partner would:
-want to save money instantly (Wallace Retires)
-want to save long term money (all expirings)
-willing to give up superior talent to do either/both of the above
-if #4-6 (and probably #3 too) be willing to give up a center capable of 25-30 mpg.

So, who could they get?

Please Play!


Not counting S&T Nate or S&T TA options though.

True. And someone correct me if i'm wrong, but a s+t must be a minimum 3 years in length, so it would be weird for a team taking advantage of a salary dump to also ask for a 3 yr. signed TA.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 11:37:40 PM »

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Good likelihood -- Nocioni, Barbosa, Garcia and maybe Udrih or Nazr

Low likelihood -- Varejao, Marvin, Beasley

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 12:41:38 AM »

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Good likelihood -- Nocioni, Barbosa, Garcia and maybe Udrih or Nazr

Low likelihood -- Varejao, Marvin, Beasley
I'd love to have AV on this team if LeBron leaves Cleveland. The defense of a KG/Perkins/AV rotation would be awesome to see.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 02:49:19 PM »

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The cavs can keep Varejao. His contract is awful for a hustle guy.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 03:08:13 PM »

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The cavs can keep Varejao. His contract is awful for a hustle guy.
He is a hustle guy, but he's also an efficient offensive garbage man, a solid rebounder on both sides of the court, and an excellent defender.

He also has legit NBA size. His contract isn't awful at all for that package.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 04:44:59 PM »

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Sheed for AV   1 for 1 works

i wish the cavs would do it

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 04:49:14 PM »

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The cavs can keep Varejao. His contract is awful for a hustle guy.
He is a hustle guy, but he's also an efficient offensive garbage man, a solid rebounder on both sides of the court, and an excellent defender.

He also has legit NBA size. His contract isn't awful at all for that package.

he would certainly help against Gasol, Bynum and Odom. I would take him. If lebron leaves, there isn't much of a reason for the cavs to keep him.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 09:39:19 PM »

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The cavs can keep Varejao. His contract is awful for a hustle guy.
He is a hustle guy, but he's also an efficient offensive garbage man, a solid rebounder on both sides of the court, and an excellent defender.

He also has legit NBA size. His contract isn't awful at all for that package.

You have a good point, I just can't stand the guy. He does have NBA size and would have been huge if we had him in the finals.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 09:43:34 PM »

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The cavs can keep Varejao. His contract is awful for a hustle guy.
He is a hustle guy, but he's also an efficient offensive garbage man, a solid rebounder on both sides of the court, and an excellent defender.

He also has legit NBA size. His contract isn't awful at all for that package.

You have a good point, I just can't stand the guy. He does have NBA size and would have been huge if we had him in the finals.

I hate the guy too. I'd probably kick him in the nuts if I ever saw him, but he sure would have helped us in the finals, like Artest helped the lakers.

Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2010, 01:14:23 PM »

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Okay, so here are some targets worth thinking about, in my opinion, that are at least plausible and fit the criteria of teams trying to save money, clear cap space now, and clear long term money.

Atlanta:
-Marvin Williams, 6.713 mill. With JJ overpaid, they may clear a wing.

Charlotte:
-Gerald Wallace, 10.5 3 yrs
-Diaw, 9.0, 2 yrs
-Who knows what they will do. Larry Brown is impulsive.

Chicago:
-Luol Deng, 11.345 mill, 4 yrs
-They may need to clear some space still for more FA's or they may want to get Sheed+Baby if they sign Wade and Lebron and want a PF.

Cleveland:
-Verejao, 7.032 mill, 5 yrs
-Willims, 9.3 mill, 3 yrs
-Boobie Gibson, 4.016 mill, 3 yrs
-They may strip it down if they fail to keep james. I don't like gibson or williams that much, but we could absorb those bad contracts to get a guy like verajao, and williams would be a good bench sub at least

Denver:
-Nene 11.360 mill, 2 yrs

Golden State:
-Lots of possibilities discussed here:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=39675.msg799229#msg799229
-all essentially surround relieving G.S. of Ellis or Biedrins (both for 4 years, ellis at 11 mill and biedrins at 9 mill) and picking up an extra piece or two of azubuike, wright, randolph, morrow for our troubles.

Clippers:
-Kaman, 11.8 mill, 2 yrs
-Who knows? Maybe they'd prefer perk/griffin and more capspace going forward.

Miami
-Beasley, 4.963 mill, 3 yrs
-Much rumored that Miami wants to clear him for space.

Minnesota
-Big Al, 13 mill, 3 yrs
-I like this one. Minny could dump him to us and take back package #3 (sheed+Baby), keep baby, and save a bunch of dough.

New Orleans:
-Okafor 11.495, 4 yrs
-Maybe we could also get Julian Wright to help the bench.

Philadelphia:
-Brand 15.960 mill, 3 yrs
-Iguodala 12.346 mill, 4 yrs
-Nocioni 6.850 mill, 3 yrs
-lou Williams 5 mill, 3 yrs
-I don't want brand, but he fits the profile. Turner duplicates what iggy does, and we haven't signed ray yet, so could we grab iggy for package 3? If so, would they give us Speights since they'd be getting Baby and major cap relief? if not Speights, then hawes or thadeus young?

Phoenix:
-Barbosa, 7.1 mill, 2 yrs.
-Still young, usually a good 3 point shooter. If phoenix could ditch his salary, they'd have more room to add pieces for Nash's final push.

Toronto:
-Turkoglu, 9.8 mill, 4 yrs
-calderon, 9.0 mill, 3 yrs
-not a fan of either in this scenario, unless they sweetened it with what will be a very good 1st round pick to take hedo's big contract.

Utah:
-Okur, 9.945 mill, 2 yrs
-Milsap, 7.6 mill, 3 yrs
-Who knows what they're doing. i don't think they'd dump milsap, but who knows? buyers remorse?




Re: What could the Celtics get in Trades?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2010, 10:08:19 PM »

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Good likelihood -- Nocioni, Barbosa, Garcia and maybe Udrih or Nazr

Low likelihood -- Varejao, Marvin, Beasley

BBD + Sheed

Good likelihood = Diaw

Low likelihood = Biedrins