Trade idea w/Chicago

[Lucky17]

I just read this article on ESPN, which offers a nice breakdown of how/why teams are trying to open up as much cap space as possible for the free agent frenzy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100629/cap-room-summary

Here's the salient information regarding Chicago:

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs [MC = maximum contract]

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

[Note: Kurz and Richard were, in fact, released by Chicago within the last 24 hours.]

Earlier this week, we heard rumors that Brad Miller was on the Celtic's radar as a possible replacement for Perkins.

This got me thinking: why not use Sheed's contract to acquire Brad Miller via sign and trade, and pick up some additional young talent from Chicago, if they are desperate to open up as much cap space as possible?

The idea:

Boston trades Rasheed Wallace
Chicago trades James Johnson, Taj Gibson, and a resigned Brad Miller

As far as I can tell from reading Larry Coon (see my sig), Brad Miller would not have BYC status, because the Bulls would be under the cap when they resigned him, so I believe (although I'm not 100% positive) that this trade scenario should work.

The Bulls would clear Gibson and Johnson off their books with this move, and replace them (and Miller) with min-level cap holds. This would move Chicago ahead of New Jersey in terms of having the most cap space, 2nd only to New York.

Boston would get a solid replacement for Perkins next season, acquire two young pieces for the future, and still keep its full MLE intact for additional bench help.

[the_Bird]

When the Bulls renounce Brad Miller, his cap hold comes off the book (maximizing their cap space).  But, at that point they can no longer sign him to anything more than a veteran minimum contract.

The only way for the Bulls to DO a sign-and-trade with Miller is to *not* renounce him...  which defeats the purpose.  

EDIT: You may be right, it's been a long day and I've been writing too much...  I'll shut up now.

[Lucky17]

When the Bulls renounce Brad Miller, his cap hold comes off the book (maximizing their cap space).  But, at that point they can no longer sign him to anything more than a veteran minimum contract.

The only way for the Bulls to DO a sign-and-trade with Miller is to *not* renounce him...  which defeats the purpose.  

But by trading a non-renounced Miller for Rasheed's evaporating contract, that point is rendered moot, no?

[dpaps]

I just read this article on ESPN, which offers a nice breakdown of how/why teams are trying to open up as much cap space as possible for the free agent frenzy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100629/cap-room-summary

Here's the salient information regarding Chicago:

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs [MC = maximum contract]

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

[Note: Kurz and Richard were, in fact, released by Chicago within the last 24 hours.]

Earlier this week, we heard rumors that Brad Miller was on the Celtic's radar as a possible replacement for Perkins.

This got me thinking: why not use Sheed's contract to acquire Brad Miller via sign and trade, and pick up some additional young talent from Chicago, if they are desperate to open up as much cap space as possible?

The idea:

Boston trades Rasheed Wallace
Chicago trades James Johnson, Taj Gibson, and a resigned Brad Miller

As far as I can tell from reading Larry Coon (see my sig), Brad Miller would not have BYC status, because the Bulls would be under the cap when they resigned him, so I believe (although I'm not 100% positive) that this trade scenario should work.

The Bulls would clear Gibson and Johnson off their books with this move, and replace them (and Miller) with min-level cap holds. This would move Chicago ahead of New Jersey in terms of having the most cap space, 2nd only to New York.

Boston would get a solid replacement for Perkins next season, acquire two young pieces for the future, and still keep its full MLE intact for additional bench help.

The problem with this trade is that it does nothing for the bulls. They can accomplish the same thing by simply renouncing Brad Miller's rights, and then trading James Johnson and Taj Gibson to any number of teams with cap space for a second round pick or something. The bulls like both of those players and they make so little, that they're the type of cheap role players they want to surround Lebron with, especially Gibson.

We could try to get a deal going where we take Deng off their hands, and could maybe convince them to throw James Johnson in. But I assume that would require us trading them Ray, who Lebron wants anyways. I guess if Ray said he's definitely leaving, we could do a S & T, but Ray seems like he wants to stay if Pierce does.

[Aaron Abel]

I just read this article on ESPN, which offers a nice breakdown of how/why teams are trying to open up as much cap space as possible for the free agent frenzy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100629/cap-room-summary

Here's the salient information regarding Chicago:

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs [MC = maximum contract]

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

[Note: Kurz and Richard were, in fact, released by Chicago within the last 24 hours.]

Earlier this week, we heard rumors that Brad Miller was on the Celtic's radar as a possible replacement for Perkins.

This got me thinking: why not use Sheed's contract to acquire Brad Miller via sign and trade, and pick up some additional young talent from Chicago, if they are desperate to open up as much cap space as possible?

The idea:

Boston trades Rasheed Wallace
Chicago trades James Johnson, Taj Gibson, and a resigned Brad Miller

As far as I can tell from reading Larry Coon (see my sig), Brad Miller would not have BYC status, because the Bulls would be under the cap when they resigned him, so I believe (although I'm not 100% positive) that this trade scenario should work.

The Bulls would clear Gibson and Johnson off their books with this move, and replace them (and Miller) with min-level cap holds. This would move Chicago ahead of New Jersey in terms of having the most cap space, 2nd only to New York.

Boston would get a solid replacement for Perkins next season, acquire two young pieces for the future, and still keep its full MLE intact for additional bench help.

The problem with this trade is that it does nothing for the bulls. They can accomplish the same thing by simply renouncing Brad Miller's rights, and then trading James Johnson and Taj Gibson to any number of teams with cap space for a second round pick or something. The bulls like both of those players and they make so little, that they're the type of cheap role players they want to surround Lebron with, especially Gibson.

We could try to get a deal going where we take Deng off their hands, and could maybe convince them to throw James Johnson in. But I assume that would require us trading them Ray, who Lebron wants anyways. I guess if Ray said he's definitely leaving, we could do a S & T, but Ray seems like he wants to stay if Pierce does.

But with Pierce, where would Deng fit? Pierce isn't going to play the 2.

[JSD]

I just read this article on ESPN, which offers a nice breakdown of how/why teams are trying to open up as much cap space as possible for the free agent frenzy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100629/cap-room-summary

Here's the salient information regarding Chicago:

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs [MC = maximum contract]

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

[Note: Kurz and Richard were, in fact, released by Chicago within the last 24 hours.]

Earlier this week, we heard rumors that Brad Miller was on the Celtic's radar as a possible replacement for Perkins.

This got me thinking: why not use Sheed's contract to acquire Brad Miller via sign and trade, and pick up some additional young talent from Chicago, if they are desperate to open up as much cap space as possible?

The idea:

Boston trades Rasheed Wallace
Chicago trades James Johnson, Taj Gibson, and a resigned Brad Miller

As far as I can tell from reading Larry Coon (see my sig), Brad Miller would not have BYC status, because the Bulls would be under the cap when they resigned him, so I believe (although I'm not 100% positive) that this trade scenario should work.

The Bulls would clear Gibson and Johnson off their books with this move, and replace them (and Miller) with min-level cap holds. This would move Chicago ahead of New Jersey in terms of having the most cap space, 2nd only to New York.

Boston would get a solid replacement for Perkins next season, acquire two young pieces for the future, and still keep its full MLE intact for additional bench help.

Now that is what I'm talking about! Great find/idea and a TP.