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Offline Birdbrain

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If losing Ray is inevitable... we might as well sign-and-trade him to New York for Eddie Curry and maybe get NY to throw us a future protected 1st rounder or something.

Why?

Because Eddie Curry only has a year left on his deal... and we might be able to flip his 11.2 million deal at the trade deadline for replacement talent.  If you're going to lose Ray anyways... might as well get a contract out of it.

Then New York brings in Ray... and by removing Curry they can target two more max contracts.

I'm not sure why the C's wouldn't just let ray walk rather than trade for that lazy turd?

Umm because then the CEltics are left with nothing.   If you send him to NY for a sign-and-trade, you pick up Eddie Curry's expiring contract... which at the deadline could theoretically land you an overpaid player on a team desperate to dump him (Iguodala, Monta Ellis... Gilbert Arenas)

It's an asset.    Boston is going in the toilet anyways... lets be honest with ourselves.  Either Chicago, NY or Miami owns the next decade... and we can't beat the Lakers regardless.   

FYI if we are going to sign him me we aren't going to trade him but just for arguments sake.

I would rather sign him for 2 years and then trade him in at 2012 deadline after the C's compete for another title in 2011.  I don't see the use and a sign trade to to get another expiring contract instead of using Ray someone who actually could help the our team or someone elses and not be a big Piece of crap on bench for a year. 

I won't argue that eventually the C's will have to rebuild to stay competitive although I'm not sure they'll be chasing the teams you mentioned.  Chicago is the team that never wins that will always be destined to win.
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I about spewed on my screen when I read this...  NO WAY - don't want that fat tub of lard on this team.  He's the poster child for everything a pro athlete should NOT be...
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I was going to bash this idea, but after thinking for minute you might be able to flip his 11mil for an Okafur or Biedrins or Al Jefferson, but then again, probably not, for various reasons.

yes because Ray Allen's expiring contract got so much for us at the last trading deadline. Really, people are over rating expiring deals, especially with the lockout coming up.On top of that, we help the Knicks to get a great team?! Are you kidding me? That's almost as bad as helping the lakers.  No way do I trade for Eddie Curry.

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I was going to bash this idea, but after thinking for minute you might be able to flip his 11mil for an Okafur or Biedrins or Al Jefferson, but then again, probably not, for various reasons.

But Celtics can do that with Sheed trade, and they can keep Ray @ reasonable amount. I really want Celtics to trade with GSW & get some young talent back. Biedrins/Randolph or Monta/Randolph.

That would amazing for our bench. In case you haven't noticed, I'm really high on Randolph. He's really immature, but very talented. Warriors are selling the team & dumping salary.

Back to the topic, Why help NYK? Let them use up their cap. And we keep Ray.

Sheed'd contract doesn't match with those players, they make twice as much. I'm talking more of a 3 way deal. As far as helping NY, well nothing is free, you have to give to get.
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I would only do that if NYK could offer something - like if they had Rubio's rights.

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I'd rather trade Ray for a chicken curry than an eddie curry.
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Why would we trade for Eddy Curry? We could trade Ray to the Knicks for just the picks because they are over the cap. This would give us a trade exemption for whatever Ray signed for as well as picks.
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I about spewed on my screen when I read this...  NO WAY - don't want that fat tub of lard on this team.  He's the poster child for everything a pro athlete should NOT be...

If they did trade for Curry, he's play about as many games for the C's as Qyntel Woods did.  He wouldn't even have to look for a place to stay in Boston, he's be a Celtic in contract only.

Can't see the C's doing that, though.  It's not just a matter of having to pay Curry to sit on his ass before you trade him -  it's a matter of having to pay the luxury tax at the same time.  

If Pierce walks, that's a sure sign that the rebuilding process is going to begin and ownership is not going to pay the luxury tax for a rebuilding squad.

I'm sure that Doc and Pierce have talked, though; Doc's not returning unless he's pretty confident that Pierce is going to re-up as well.

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I about spewed on my screen when I read this...  NO WAY - don't want that fat tub of lard on this team.  He's the poster child for everything a pro athlete should NOT be...

If they did trade for Curry, he's play about as many games for the C's as Qyntel Woods did.  He wouldn't even have to look for a place to stay in Boston, he's be a Celtic in contract only.

Can't see the C's doing that, though.  It's not just a matter of having to pay Curry to sit on his ass before you trade him -  it's a matter of having to pay the luxury tax at the same time.  

If Pierce walks, that's a sure sign that the rebuilding process is going to begin and ownership is not going to pay the luxury tax for a rebuilding squad.

I'm sure that Doc and Pierce have talked, though; Doc's not returning unless he's pretty confident that Pierce is going to re-up as well.

I think there is no way Doc would have agreed to come back unless Paul and Ray are coming back. The question is who can we add to them? We need centers. We lost the finals due to rebounding and length issues, and right now we have zero healthy centers. Eddie Curry at big $$ doesn't help that issue, and we are not trading Ray now that Doc is coming back.

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Why would we trade for Eddy Curry? We could trade Ray to the Knicks for just the picks because they are over the cap. This would give us a trade exemption for whatever Ray signed for as well as picks.

What are you talking about?? The Knicks are not over the cap, and they don't have any picks for at least the next couple years, I know Houston has at least next years 1st.

Trade exemptions don't work like that.

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If losing Ray is inevitable... we might as well sign-and-trade him to New York for Eddie Curry and maybe get NY to throw us a future protected 1st rounder or something.

Why?

Because Eddie Curry only has a year left on his deal... and we might be able to flip his 11.2 million deal at the trade deadline for replacement talent.  If you're going to lose Ray anyways... might as well get a contract out of it.

Then New York brings in Ray... and by removing Curry they can target two more max contracts.

I'm not sure why the C's wouldn't just let ray walk rather than trade for that lazy turd?

Umm because then the CEltics are left with nothing.   If you send him to NY for a sign-and-trade, you pick up Eddie Curry's expiring contract... which at the deadline could theoretically land you an overpaid player on a team desperate to dump him (Iguodala, Monta Ellis... Gilbert Arenas)

It's an asset.    Boston is going in the toilet anyways... lets be honest with ourselves.  Either Chicago, NY or Miami owns the next decade... and we can't beat the Lakers regardless.  

I think Wyc would argue that the right to pay Eddie Curry's buffet bills is not really an asset, compared to just letting Ray walk.

Now, if the Knicks were also throwing in someone like Wilson Chandler, then perhaps it could be worth it.  But this is not monopoly money we are talking about here.  They are not going to pay a guy $11 million just for the chance that they MIGHT be able to trade him at the deadline.

And lets remember, 90% of the deals that would be available at the deadline for an expiring contract will just be taking on another teams bad contracts.  You need real assets, along with the expiring contracts, to get good players.  

I disagree, if you’re going to compete in this league you have to be willing to make savvy, unorthodox moves such as this to compete. Who knows what will be available this upcoming deadline or what type of assets the C's will have after a 1/2 season of basketball? At the least, we'll be in position to reap the benefits if a team decides to unload. What did Washington get for Butler? Jamison? Think Gasol, Garnett, and Maggette.

Every year teams are willing to give up talent for financial help and this year will be no different.


There is a difference between "terrible value" and "savvy and unorthodox".  

This move, without anything else coming to the C's is terrible value.  They trade a guy with very good value (Ray) to a team that desperately wants to get rid of a terrible contract (Curry), in order to open up more cap space.  

They gave up a lottery pick from last years draft (Hill), a 2012 first rounder, and the right to swap 2011 first rounders, just to get rid of the less offensive contract of Jared Jeffries at the trade deadline, for the same reason...to open up cap space.

While the Knicks could just sign Ray for nothing, they have a lot to gain by doing this sign and trade.  Much more to gain than the C's have by taking on that contract.

So the point is, while having a contract to trade at a future date is nice, in this case, the C's absolutely need to get value in return for taking it off their hands.  And by value, I mean actual assets like picks or player who actually play basketball.

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Chris,

Assuming we're a contending team that's over the cap, if we're going to lose Ray, maintaining the abiltiy to use that money is in essence an asset. As a last resort I agree with the OP, you make this deal instead of letting Ray walk. It's a no brainer in my opinion.

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Why would we trade for Eddy Curry? We could trade Ray to the Knicks for just the picks because they are over the cap. This would give us a trade exemption for whatever Ray signed for as well as picks.

What are you talking about?? The Knicks are not over the cap, and they don't have any picks for at least the next couple years, I know Houston has at least next years 1st.

Trade exemptions don't work like that.
No the Knicks are under the cap. so they could absorb the salary of Ray without having to give up anything.
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Why would we trade for Eddy Curry? We could trade Ray to the Knicks for just the picks because they are over the cap. This would give us a trade exemption for whatever Ray signed for as well as picks.

What are you talking about?? The Knicks are not over the cap, and they don't have any picks for at least the next couple years, I know Houston has at least next years 1st.

Trade exemptions don't work like that.
No the Knicks are under the cap. so they could absorb the salary of Ray without having to give up anything.

How does that help the Celtics maintain payroll and create a deadline option? That's the point LarBrd33 is trying to make.

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Chris,

Assuming we're a contending team that's over the cap, if we're going to lose Ray, maintaining the abiltiy to use that money is in essence an asset. As a last resort I agree with the OP, you make this deal instead of letting Ray walk. It's a no brainer in my opinion.

Fine, it's an asset.  But not a good enough asset to make that a good deal. 

And no offense, but on something like this, the only opinion that matters is the one who is going to be paying $11 million to Eddie Curry, just for the off chance they can trade him. 

And based on the precedents set all over the NBA for taking on someones bad contract, I would immediately call for Danny's head if he made that deal and did not get anything else out of the Knicks.