Maxiell or Wilcox?

[The Walker Wiggle]

Jason Maxiell is a player I like but not for the Celtics and not at his current salary.

While Chris Wilcox is not a player that interests me at all. Last season, he played only 34 games and 13 mpg for a Pistons team with a smallish, injury plagued front court. He does dunk in traffic - who doesn't like to see that. But he turns the ball over at a high rate (more often than Perk) and fouls at an even worse rate.

[Lucky17]

Maxiell is a better rebounder than Davis. Period. A comparison of their career stats bears this out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2775

Anyone suggesting that Maxiell is a poor man's Davis hasn't watched him play. Different skill sets, but Maxiell brings toughness, physicality, and hops that the Celtics could definitely use at the backup PF position.

I'll certainly concede that Maxiell's contract may not be cost-effective (although $5 a year is not egregious), but no one should be summarily dismissing him based on a mistaken belief that he's inferior to Davis.

[pumpfake]

i would definitely prefer maxiel, it might be bad news though if someone like maxiel becomes a major role player... as insurance though, sure.

[JSD]

Joe Dumars is one of the worst GM's in the NBA.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Joe Dumars is one of the worst GM's in the NBA.

He badly mishandled the team's salary cap room last off-season, neither Villanueva nor Ben Gordon are the caliber of player to overpay. But he also put together a singular championship team through shrewd acquisitions - Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, etc. - and he rivals Ainge and R.C. Buford late in the draft - Okur, Prince, Delfino, Maxiell, Stuckey, Afflalo, Jerebko.

I'd rank him among the top third of NBA GMs, there are far worse.

[pearljammer10]

i actually think that Wilcox would be a good replacement for Perk. he's got height6-10' , and is defensive minded. I can see him as a big body vs Howard. But seriously how much worse could he be than Perk?

He's only about 6'8 so we would lose a lot against the better and bigger Centers in the league.  Offensively he's probably more well rounded and doesn't wind up so he's got that going for him.

Yeah dude, Wilcox is 6 10, not 6 8...Maxiell might be 6  7 or 6 8...But Wilcox has been playing a lot of center for his career. He'd be a great addition here, we need as much length as we can get.

[Lucky17]

Wilcox showed flashes on a bad Seattle team, but then went to Detroit, where he rode the pine.

I don't know if he's got the heart to play hard on a good team. I'd be fine with him as the 2nd/3rd string center, but not as a starter.

BTW, on July 1, Sheed's contract is large enough to get back both Maxiell and Wilcox.

[Bankshot]

Maxiell is a better rebounder than Davis. Period. A comparison of their career stats bears this out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2775

Anyone suggesting that Maxiell is a poor man's Davis hasn't watched him play. Different skill sets, but Maxiell brings toughness, physicality, and hops that the Celtics could definitely use at the backup PF position.

I'll certainly concede that Maxiell's contract may not be cost-effective (although $5 a year is not egregious), but no one should be summarily dismissing him based on a mistaken belief that he's inferior to Davis.

Maxiel stinks.  Either he doesn't bring it every game or isn't capable of being consistent.  Baby's rebounding was really good this past season.  I chalk up the bad rebounding before last season to him playing on the perimeter shooting jumpshots.  He rebounded the ball much better last season playing alongside Sheed or KG, because he was finally playing inside.  I'd take Baby over Maxiel any day.  Besides, Baby is clutch and comes up big a lot in big games. Don't underestimate that quality in a player.  

[Lucky17]

Maxiell is a better rebounder than Davis. Period. A comparison of their career stats bears this out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2775

Anyone suggesting that Maxiell is a poor man's Davis hasn't watched him play. Different skill sets, but Maxiell brings toughness, physicality, and hops that the Celtics could definitely use at the backup PF position.

I'll certainly concede that Maxiell's contract may not be cost-effective (although $5 a year is not egregious), but no one should be summarily dismissing him based on a mistaken belief that he's inferior to Davis.

Maxiel stinks.  Either he doesn't bring it every game or isn't capable of being consistent.  Baby's rebounding was really good this past season.  I chalk up the bad rebounding before last season to him playing on the perimeter shooting jumpshots.  He rebounded the ball much better last season playing alongside Sheed or KG, because he was finally playing inside.  I'd take Baby over Maxiel any day.  Besides, Baby is clutch and comes up big a lot in big games. Don't underestimate that quality in a player.  

Again, I just don't understand this kind of logic. Maxiell "stinks," and yet was a better rebounder last season than a "really good" Davis.

Maxiell: 6.8 points, 5.3 rebs in 20 minutes
Davis: 6.3 points, 3.8 rebs in 17 minutes

Maxiell hasn't shot below 50% from the field since his rookie season, while Davis has not shot better than 45% since his first year. A major reason for this: Davis has had to develop more of a perimeter game, due in large part because he consistently gets his shots from within the paint blocked. (Is there any player in the NBA who has had more of his shots blocked?)

[JSD]

Joe Dumars is one of the worst GM's in the NBA.

He badly mishandled the team's salary cap room last off-season, neither Villanueva nor Ben Gordon are the caliber of player to overpay. But he also put together a singular championship team through shrewd acquisitions - Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, etc. - and he rivals Ainge and R.C. Buford late in the draft - Okur, Prince, Delfino, Maxiell, Stuckey, Afflalo, Jerebko.

I'd rank him among the top third of NBA GMs, there are far worse.

He traded Billups for cap space (that's it) and overpayed Villanueva and Gordon with it, gave an extention to Rip that turned an asset into a liability, overpayed bench/role players (like Maxiell), and drafted Darko over Anthony.

My argument is, he was a top GM ten years ago and since 2003 has only made one good move. Granted, it put his team over the top, but in a weak eastern conference and against a very flawed Laker team.

He's been just terrible since that time.

[Andy Jick]

Joe Dumars is one of the worst GM's in the NBA.

He badly mishandled the team's salary cap room last off-season, neither Villanueva nor Ben Gordon are the caliber of player to overpay. But he also put together a singular championship team through shrewd acquisitions - Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, etc. - and he rivals Ainge and R.C. Buford late in the draft - Okur, Prince, Delfino, Maxiell, Stuckey, Afflalo, Jerebko.

I'd rank him among the top third of NBA GMs, there are far worse.

Agree with both of you.  He had success handed to him on a silver platter, and then he put his hands all over it and screwed it up.  All of his decisions of giving big money to marginal players has backfired and it will take someone else (most likely) to clean up his mess.

[timepiece33]

To Boston: Ryan Gomes and Chris Wilcox

To Detroit: Rasheed Wallace's buyout and a 2nd round pick from Portland

To Portland: Austin Daye

Boston gets a backup SF and a backup big man for Wallace's contract.  

Detroit gets cap relief.

Portland gets a former first round pick and a guy who could be useful.  

You could also do the deal without Portland as well.  

[Bankshot]

Maxiell is a better rebounder than Davis. Period. A comparison of their career stats bears this out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2775

Anyone suggesting that Maxiell is a poor man's Davis hasn't watched him play. Different skill sets, but Maxiell brings toughness, physicality, and hops that the Celtics could definitely use at the backup PF position.

I'll certainly concede that Maxiell's contract may not be cost-effective (although $5 a year is not egregious), but no one should be summarily dismissing him based on a mistaken belief that he's inferior to Davis.

It's not a mistake, he is inferior to Davis. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

[Eddie20]

Maxiell has regressed since he signed his multi-yr deal. I would take Wilcox because his athleticism is something we lack on our frontline. He's still young (26) and perhaps playing with our veterans and under the tutelage of Doc and C. Ray could light a fire under him. For the minimum and as a 5th big, why not?

[slamtheking]

To Boston: Ryan Gomes and Chris Wilcox

To Detroit: Rasheed Wallace's buyout and a 2nd round pick from Portland

To Portland: Austin Daye

Boston gets a backup SF and a backup big man for Wallace's contract.  

Detroit gets cap relief.

Portland gets a former first round pick and a guy who could be useful.  

You could also do the deal without Portland as well.  

personally I'd like to get Daye as opposed to Wilcox or Gomes.  he's a player with some upside even though he doesn't really play PF or C (although he does have the height for it)