Idea: #19 + Sheed's retiring for #10 + Foster

[winsomme]

not sure if this has already been proposed, but it could make sense for both teams if either Badley or Bledsoe is still available at #19.

IND would get salary relief to keep them under the lux tax plus get the PG they really need.

BOS gets a big to add to the frontcourt with Sheed retiring and a shot at whichever player DA is targeting in the lottery.

my preference is one of the wings: George, Babbit, or Hayward.

[pearljammer10]

Eew.

[Chris]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

[winsomme]

Eew.

because you don't like the players I would select at #10 or because you don't like the deal? what's the downside of this deal?

[winsomme]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

had a feeling this has been out there. a little worried that OKC might be targeting this pick and have a better package to offer.

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Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

[winsomme]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

well the front court would be thin, but that's what we are facing anyway if Sheed is in fact going to retire.

at least this way we get someone who can play the position and then maybe use the MLE to go after someone who can defend the rim....

[moiso]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

I like this one better too.  I've always been a Jeff Foster fan, but he is frequently injured and seems to have lost a step.

[Chris]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

They love Troy Murphy and have no interest in moving him for cap relief.  He is going to be their mealticket to rebuilding at the deadline.  There is no way they sell him off like this.

The reason the proposed deal works is because Foster is not valuable to them, but he is valuable to the C's as depth. 

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Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

They love Troy Murphy and have no interest in moving him for cap relief.  He is going to be their mealticket to rebuilding at the deadline.  There is no way they sell him off like this.

The reason the proposed deal works is because Foster is not valuable to them, but he is valuable to the C's as depth. 

Troy Murphy is the contract that is keeping them from getting better.  They recognize he is a tall jumpshooter with questionable defense (which I think can get better in the right system) and that he's paid too much for a player that doesn't make a team a winner.  He can't create his own shot and doesn't play in the post.  They're waiting on his contract to expire to have a shot at FA's like Carmelo next year (which may not happen).  They already have his successor in place.

He's available, but they'll want a sweetener, not just cap relief.  Sheed's relief plus BBD might do it, talent wise, but with a future 2nd round pick, I think they'd go for it.  We'd be swapping a young career backup for a veteran starting 18/8 type-guy without committing long term salary.

[Chris]

Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

They love Troy Murphy and have no interest in moving him for cap relief.  He is going to be their mealticket to rebuilding at the deadline.  There is no way they sell him off like this.

The reason the proposed deal works is because Foster is not valuable to them, but he is valuable to the C's as depth. 

Troy Murphy is the contract that is keeping them from getting better.  They recognize he is a tall jumpshooter with questionable defense (which I think can get better in the right system) and that he's paid too much for a player that doesn't make a team a winner.  He can't create his own shot and doesn't play in the post.  They're waiting on his contract to expire to have a shot at FA's like Carmelo next year (which may not happen).  They already have his successor in place.

He's available, but they'll want a sweetener, not just cap relief.  Sheed's relief plus BBD might do it, talent wise, but with a future 2nd round pick, I think they'd go for it.  We'd be swapping a young career backup for a veteran starting 18/8 type-guy without committing long term salary.

Yeah, they might bite on Sheed and Davis for Murphy, but they aren't throwing in their lottery pick to make it happen.

Murphy is a guy teams trade for, they don't trade for him, in order to get another asset as well.

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Eew.

Why eww?  That is an absolute steal for the C's.  Foster is one of the better rebounders in the NBA, and possibly the best offensive rebounder.  He would replace Sheed's minutes well, and is more than servicable enough to start when Perk is recovering.  Oh yeah, and he has only one year left on his contract, so he would be an expiring contract to use at the deadline.

Plus, the C's move up into the lottery.

And yes, I proposed this yesterday...great minds think alike I guess.

I wouldn't want Foster any more.  He's a good rebounder and positional defender, but could never really protect the rim, and has no offensive game.  And that was in his prime.

I'd be open to finding a way to work it for Troy Murphy and #10.

They love Troy Murphy and have no interest in moving him for cap relief.  He is going to be their mealticket to rebuilding at the deadline.  There is no way they sell him off like this.

The reason the proposed deal works is because Foster is not valuable to them, but he is valuable to the C's as depth. 

Troy Murphy is the contract that is keeping them from getting better.  They recognize he is a tall jumpshooter with questionable defense (which I think can get better in the right system) and that he's paid too much for a player that doesn't make a team a winner.  He can't create his own shot and doesn't play in the post.  They're waiting on his contract to expire to have a shot at FA's like Carmelo next year (which may not happen).  They already have his successor in place.

He's available, but they'll want a sweetener, not just cap relief.  Sheed's relief plus BBD might do it, talent wise, but with a future 2nd round pick, I think they'd go for it.  We'd be swapping a young career backup for a veteran starting 18/8 type-guy without committing long term salary.

Yeah, they might bite on Sheed and Davis for Murphy, but they aren't throwing in their lottery pick to make it happen.

Murphy is a guy teams trade for, they don't trade for him, in order to get another asset as well.

Perhaps, but I'm imagining the conversation between Ainge in Bird to negotiate the deal.  It's quite amusing...I mean, in my mind, that is.

I'd say Danny's a better negotiator than Larry is, and that Danny likely isn't dealing with the budget restraints that Larry is this year, and that Larry knows the Pacers still aren't winning this year, so might as well cut costs, perhaps swap first rounders, and take a future 2nd as well to add assets.

If Troy were a poor man's Dirk, that'd be one thing, but he's only a slightly less-rich man's Dirk, and that changes everything.

Oh, you should hear Danny and Larry going at it...it's getting good.  We might have a deal...

[paintitgreen]

Unless Sheed comes out and says he's retiring, or privately confirms to a team he's going to retire without demanding a buyout, he is a 2-year, $13 million contract or, in a best-case scenario, a $5 million buyout and cap figure that can't be traded later. Foster has a 1-year, $6.5 million contract that can be traded through February to a team desperate for an extra big man. Murphy also has an expiring contract.

The trade proposals here make NO sense for Indiana from a personnel or financial perspective, or, for that matter, a PR perspective. They've done all they can to remove bad-apple players from their roster. While I think Rasheed was good in our locker room all year, he's shown that's not always the case.

This trade just doesn't make sense for Indiana. Think about what you're giving them: (1) No substantive cap relief if any at all; (2) a "chance" to draft a player they'd definitely be able to draft with the pick they're trading; (3) a player they don't want and hope will retire; (4) no point guard, which is what they want to get.