Lebron To the Celtic?

[ForexPirate]

RENOUCING PLAYERS - isn't it true that if you renounce a fre agent that it only restricts them from signing with that same team for 60 days?

Just wondering - it could make a difference in this case if that were so.  Then they could resign Ray to the MLE if he would take it and get Bron or Bosh.

[RockinRyA]

the most realistic way is thru sign and trade imho.

also, im getting sick of the same guys posting derogatory, arrogant and disrespectful remarks to other posters. please enough of this "i-know-better-than-you-so-shut-up" type of posts

[noro]

Our best scenario? in my opinion: forget LeBron and Wade and try hard to sign Demarcus Cousins. Rondo+Cousins could be a young and solid core at "only" 15 mln

How can we sign a guy thats going to be drafted in the lottery? Also, why go after an absolute headcase that would be a chemistry disaster?

[ajgoodman]

Simple solution:

Convince George Steinbrenner to sponsor the 2011 season and bring LeBron in for 400 million dollars.

Sign and trade Paul Pierce and Ray Allen for Kobe Bryant, since, ya know, the Lakers are always looking to get older and less talented.  Lakers will release Pierce, and he can come back.

Sign and trade of Scalabrine for Chris Bosh straight up... My step-brother said they had their eyes on him for a while.

Finally, we sign Bill Nye the Science Guy for the veteran's minimum, have him build us a time machine, and bring back Shaq from 10 years ago.

Use the spare change to sign on some decent scrubs from around the league and also try and somehow rob draft picks.

Our line-up would look like:
1. Rondo/John Wall/Bill Nye the Science Guy
2. Kobe/Tony Allen/Bill Nye the Science Guy
3. LeBron/Pierce
4. Chris Bosh/KG/Big Baby/Cousins
5. 28-year-old Shaq/Perk/Rasheed

Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? I should be GM. Banner 18, automatic.

[dpaps]

Simple solution:

Convince George Steinbrenner to sponsor the 2011 season and bring LeBron in for 400 million dollars.

Sign and trade Paul Pierce and Ray Allen for Kobe Bryant, since, ya know, the Lakers are always looking to get older and less talented.  Lakers will release Pierce, and he can come back.

Sign and trade of Scalabrine for Chris Bosh straight up... My step-brother said they had their eyes on him for a while.

Finally, we sign Bill Nye the Science Guy for the veteran's minimum, have him build us a time machine, and bring back Shaq from 10 years ago.

Use the spare change to sign on some decent scrubs from around the league and also try and somehow rob draft picks.

Our line-up would look like:
1. Rondo/John Wall/Bill Nye the Science Guy
2. Kobe/Tony Allen/Bill Nye the Science Guy
3. LeBron/Pierce
4. Chris Bosh/KG/Big Baby/Cousins
5. 28-year-old Shaq/Perk/Rasheed

Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? I should be GM. Banner 18, automatic.

And what about this post is constructive?

Seems that the point of this post is to only patronize the OP.

[the_Bird]

RENOUCING PLAYERS - isn't it true that if you renounce a fre agent that it only restricts them from signing with that same team for 60 days?

Just wondering - it could make a difference in this case if that were so.  Then they could resign Ray to the MLE if he would take it and get Bron or Bosh.

If you renounce a free agent, you can only re-sign them at the veteran minimum.

[Celtics18]

Simple solution:

Convince George Steinbrenner to sponsor the 2011 season and bring LeBron in for 400 million dollars.

Sign and trade Paul Pierce and Ray Allen for Kobe Bryant, since, ya know, the Lakers are always looking to get older and less talented.  Lakers will release Pierce, and he can come back.

Sign and trade of Scalabrine for Chris Bosh straight up... My step-brother said they had their eyes on him for a while.

Finally, we sign Bill Nye the Science Guy for the veteran's minimum, have him build us a time machine, and bring back Shaq from 10 years ago.

Use the spare change to sign on some decent scrubs from around the league and also try and somehow rob draft picks.

Our line-up would look like:
1. Rondo/John Wall/Bill Nye the Science Guy
2. Kobe/Tony Allen/Bill Nye the Science Guy
3. LeBron/Pierce
4. Chris Bosh/KG/Big Baby/Cousins
5. 28-year-old Shaq/Perk/Rasheed

Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? I should be GM. Banner 18, automatic.

And what about this post is constructive?

Seems that the point of this post is to only patronize the OP.

It's not constructive, but it is very funny. 

[droopdog7]

Since we are trying to correct inacuracies, I am almost sure that Sheed retiring has no impact on our cap.  That is, even if Sheed does retire, his contract will still count against the cap for the remaining years.  Is that correct?

[StartOrien]

Ugh, would have some mixed emotions here. Lebron has worked pretty hard in the past couple months to become my least favorite player outside of Kobe.

[Eddie20]

Since we are trying to correct inacuracies, I am almost sure that Sheed retiring has no impact on our cap.  That is, even if Sheed does retire, his contract will still count against the cap for the remaining years.  Is that correct?

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q54

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing.

Sheed would only count for 1 more year since that 3rd year he was given was said to be a player option. Unless we can get a physician to agree that he's no longer capable of withstanding the rigors of an NBA season. Seems possible.

[Eddie20]

RENOUCING PLAYERS - isn't it true that if you renounce a fre agent that it only restricts them from signing with that same team for 60 days?

Just wondering - it could make a difference in this case if that were so.  Then they could resign Ray to the MLE if he would take it and get Bron or Bosh.

If you renounce a free agent, you can only re-sign them at the veteran minimum.

I thought the same thing too. But read this...

[33. What does renouncing a player mean?

As detailed in question number 30, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions (see question number 19) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player, but must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. The exception to this is an Early Bird free agent who is coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. Such players, when renounced, are treated as Non-Bird free agents.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him lie idle for the year, then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player re-signs with his prior team, then his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, then the player is once again a Larry Bird free agent the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 78).

Very Interesting.

[ajgoodman]

Simple solution:

Convince George Steinbrenner to sponsor the 2011 season and bring LeBron in for 400 million dollars.

Sign and trade Paul Pierce and Ray Allen for Kobe Bryant, since, ya know, the Lakers are always looking to get older and less talented.  Lakers will release Pierce, and he can come back.

Sign and trade of Scalabrine for Chris Bosh straight up... My step-brother said they had their eyes on him for a while.

Finally, we sign Bill Nye the Science Guy for the veteran's minimum, have him build us a time machine, and bring back Shaq from 10 years ago.

Use the spare change to sign on some decent scrubs from around the league and also try and somehow rob draft picks.

Our line-up would look like:
1. Rondo/John Wall/Bill Nye the Science Guy
2. Kobe/Tony Allen/Bill Nye the Science Guy
3. LeBron/Pierce
4. Chris Bosh/KG/Big Baby/Cousins
5. 28-year-old Shaq/Perk/Rasheed

Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? I should be GM. Banner 18, automatic.

And what about this post is constructive?

Seems that the point of this post is to only patronize the OP.

There was absolutely nothing constructive about that post, obviously. Not everything in an on-line forum needs to be completely serious, Officer dpaps. Let's all lighten up the mood a little bit.

[droopdog7]

RENOUCING PLAYERS - isn't it true that if you renounce a fre agent that it only restricts them from signing with that same team for 60 days?

Just wondering - it could make a difference in this case if that were so.  Then they could resign Ray to the MLE if he would take it and get Bron or Bosh.

If you renounce a free agent, you can only re-sign them at the veteran minimum.

I thought the same thing too. But read this...

[33. What does renouncing a player mean?

As detailed in question number 30, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions (see question number 19) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player, but must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. The exception to this is an Early Bird free agent who is coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. Such players, when renounced, are treated as Non-Bird free agents.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him lie idle for the year, then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player re-signs with his prior team, then his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, then the player is once again a Larry Bird free agent the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 78).

Very Interesting.

But in your scenerio (of signing a big fre agent) we most certainly would not have cap space to resign a renounced player to anything more than a minimum deal or one of the exceptions.

[boscel33]

i have a stupid question, what is a sticky post?

[the_Bird]

RENOUCING PLAYERS - isn't it true that if you renounce a fre agent that it only restricts them from signing with that same team for 60 days?

Just wondering - it could make a difference in this case if that were so.  Then they could resign Ray to the MLE if he would take it and get Bron or Bosh.

If you renounce a free agent, you can only re-sign them at the veteran minimum.

I thought the same thing too. But read this...

[33. What does renouncing a player mean?

As detailed in question number 30, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions (see question number 19) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player, but must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. The exception to this is an Early Bird free agent who is coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. Such players, when renounced, are treated as Non-Bird free agents.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him lie idle for the year, then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player re-signs with his prior team, then his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, then the player is once again a Larry Bird free agent the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 78).

Very Interesting.

So, you can re-sign, but you need to use your cap space to do so.  Defeats the purpose, usually.  Suppose you could renounce a free agent (lets say Ray), get some cap space to pursue LeBron, and when LeBron signs in New York go back and re-sign Ray Allen again, using that cap space.  Not going to let you sign another LeBron AND re-sign Ray.

Assuming that you'd need to use cap space to do a sign-and-trade as well.