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Offseason plan of attack
« on: June 18, 2010, 07:33:23 PM »

Offline mcshane41

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Problem: 4 points from glory. Solution: Revenge. Plan: Stop the 3-peat!

Okay what is the forecast for these Celtics and how do we get back to the finals? First lets talk Eastern Conf competition. No matter how the Summer of LeBron turns out you can be sure these teams will contend:

Magic - We handled them.
Heat - Wade plus Amare? Bosh? Perhaps the #1 contender.
Bulls - Add Tom & a max guy to this squad = top 4 finish.
Knicks - IF they land LBJ, but we can handle him can't we..

We can compete with the class of the east but we need a deep bench and a rested veterans. Improve now and build for the future, here is how I see it:

Rondo & Perkins = our future. Ainge needs to surround Rondo with athletic players like Nash in Phoenix. Perkins D is our key to playing that 1on1 team D.

Big 3 = Our past stars but our present asset. Asset? Yes b/c those 3 are like having 4 head coaches. We need them to impart their unselfish team based mentality onto our future starters. Winning is a mindset (See Lakers pre-Jackson).

Future starters we need to draft and sign them starting with THIS off-season. Starting with the draft. My plan for the draft? A draft this deep means we should buy up a late round pick. Multiple teams with full rosters and 3 picks means there will be sellers. This is a golden chance to add some athletic youth. There are some quality swingmen options expected to be there at 19 (Anderson, Bradley, James, Hayward?). Also some good Bigs should be available later (Brackins, Parakhouski). I won't say draft one or the other but any of those players would benefit from learning the game from work-a-holics like the Big 3.

Free Agents: I am assuming MLE only. Forget complex sign & trades let's keep it simple and realistic. We could likely add one of the following players with part or all of the MLE.

PF Tyrus Thomas. KG taking him under his wing, channeling that hot hotheadedness into intensity on the court, not off it. As a restricted the C's would need to over pay a bit, full MLE over 3 or 4 years may be too rich for Charlotte's blood. If not..

SF Travis Outlaw. Another young, long athletic guy. A proven 6th man and defender. Perfect sub for PP. If he can learn some offensive moves from the Truth he could yet develop into a starting SF. Close to if not a full MLE.

SG Anthony Morrow. Deadly from downtown and a good defender. Perhaps a starter with Ray Ray resigning to play oas 6th man? Might be a useful way to keep that jumper falling late in the playoffs. Might not require full MLE.

Adding any of those three gives us a young player who can contribute now, help rest the Big 3 and take over as a starter within 1-2 years.

Conclusion, this is now Rondo & Perkin's team. Perk's D and Rondo's skill will lead us back to the promised land if we surround them w/ talent and that talent learns how to win by playing with our veterans. Would a lanky scorer like Outlaw have been enough to sink the Lakers? Or a sniper like Morrow? Could a re-bounder like Thomas have eliminated those 2nd chance points? I think all of the above. Adding one player like that and some quality from a deep draft could keep us contending longer than you think.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 07:47:40 PM »

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Problem: 4 points from glory. Solution: Revenge. Plan: Stop the 3-peat!

Okay what is the forecast for these Celtics and how do we get back to the finals? First lets talk Eastern Conf competition. No matter how the Summer of LeBron turns out you can be sure these teams will contend:

Magic - We handled them.
Heat - Wade plus Amare? Bosh? Perhaps the #1 contender.
Bulls - Add Tom & a max guy to this squad = top 4 finish.
Knicks - IF they land LBJ, but we can handle him can't we..

We can compete with the class of the east but we need a deep bench and a rested veterans. Improve now and build for the future, here is how I see it:

Rondo & Perkins = our future. Ainge needs to surround Rondo with athletic players like Nash in Phoenix. Perkins D is our key to playing that 1on1 team D.

Big 3 = Our past stars but our present asset. Asset? Yes b/c those 3 are like having 4 head coaches. We need them to impart their unselfish team based mentality onto our future starters. Winning is a mindset (See Lakers pre-Jackson).

Future starters we need to draft and sign them starting with THIS off-season. Starting with the draft. My plan for the draft? A draft this deep means we should buy up a late round pick. Multiple teams with full rosters and 3 picks means there will be sellers. This is a golden chance to add some athletic youth. There are some quality swingmen options expected to be there at 19 (Anderson, Bradley, James, Hayward?). Also some good Bigs should be available later (Brackins, Parakhouski). I won't say draft one or the other but any of those players would benefit from learning the game from work-a-holics like the Big 3.

Free Agents: I am assuming MLE only. Forget complex sign & trades let's keep it simple and realistic. We could likely add one of the following players with part or all of the MLE.

PF Tyrus Thomas. KG taking him under his wing, channeling that hot hotheadedness into intensity on the court, not off it. As a restricted the C's would need to over pay a bit, full MLE over 3 or 4 years may be too rich for Charlotte's blood. If not..

SF Travis Outlaw. Another young, long athletic guy. A proven 6th man and defender. Perfect sub for PP. If he can learn some offensive moves from the Truth he could yet develop into a starting SF. Close to if not a full MLE.

SG Anthony Morrow. Deadly from downtown and a good defender. Perhaps a starter with Ray Ray resigning to play oas 6th man? Might be a useful way to keep that jumper falling late in the playoffs. Might not require full MLE.

Adding any of those three gives us a young player who can contribute now, help rest the Big 3 and take over as a starter within 1-2 years.

Conclusion, this is now Rondo & Perkin's team. Perk's D and Rondo's skill will lead us back to the promised land if we surround them w/ talent and that talent learns how to win by playing with our veterans. Would a lanky scorer like Outlaw have been enough to sink the Lakers? Or a sniper like Morrow? Could a re-bounder like Thomas have eliminated those 2nd chance points? I think all of the above. Adding one player like that and some quality from a deep draft could keep us contending longer than you think.

I agree with the majority of what you wrote here and you pumped me up.

TP and welcome to CB.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 08:09:56 PM »

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I think this will be an exciting post season. I'm looking forward to seeing what Danny has in store.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 08:16:02 PM »

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TP, and welcome!  I love it man.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 08:21:19 PM »

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Danny has his work cut out this offseason. I know we prioritize vets but going the other direction getting a young athletic bench is what I'd like to see. All our young guys are practically seasoned vets by now.

Tall order but if we can get players off the bench at the 2,3 and 4 who can defend, rebound and run with Rondo we can build a solid transition starter+bench unit with Perk that could help keep the Big 3 fresh. TP for a great 1st post. Looking forward to more. Welcome to the blog :-)
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 08:25:22 PM »

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Yes. TP for this post.

I'm all about stopping the 3-peat. No ones wants that.

Morrow is a guy that would fit in great here, if I'm not mistaken though, he may be restricted.

As far as depth up front: if Sheed decides to retire, let's trade his contract to Miami for Beasley. I know people have Beas issues, but they guy can score. He's only 21 with a wealth of potential. Getting out of the party-land that is Miami and onto a team with vets like KG and Pierce will help the kid mature eons. I've said before, and I'll say it again: the thought of Beas and Rondo on a fastbreak makes me giddy. Couple Beasley's offensive prowess with Perk anchoring the D... I like that man...
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 08:45:52 PM »

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We need at least 2 bigs, preferably a veteran and a youngster in the draft like alabi or orton. We are in desperate need of an athletic wing who can slash and play above the rim. We have one of the worst fast breaks in the NBA. It consist of rondo waiting for pierce or ray to spot up for 3's. We need a serious finsher on the break. Danny must build this team around rondo, period.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 09:16:06 PM »

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The problem is, that we have, so little left on the books. I wish we had some trade chips for a sign+trade.

Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 09:56:34 PM »

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I'm fairly convinced that this could be one of the most exciting and/or active off seasons in franchise history. And that's saying something. There's just so many ways this team and it's employees and players could go at this point. Personally, I'm excited. I love the OP's ideas, I'd like it to go that way. But, I guess we'll just have to ride this thing out and see what happens!
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 10:01:04 PM »

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I'm all about stopping the 3-peat. No ones wants that.

Morrow is a guy that would fit in great here, if I'm not mistaken though, he may be restricted.

As far as depth up front: if Sheed decides to retire, let's trade his contract to Miami for Beasley. I know people have Beas issues, but they guy can score. He's only 21 with a wealth of potential. Getting out of the party-land that is Miami and onto a team with vets like KG and Pierce will help the kid mature eons. I've said before, and I'll say it again: the thought of Beas and Rondo on a fastbreak makes me giddy. Couple Beasley's offensive prowess with Perk anchoring the D... I like that man...

Beasley with two solid mentors could become the second star of the future. As I've stated on another thread, I'm all for exploring this one.
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 11:52:11 PM »

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Yes. TP for this post.

I'm all about stopping the 3-peat. No ones wants that.

Morrow is a guy that would fit in great here, if I'm not mistaken though, he may be restricted.

As far as depth up front: if Sheed decides to retire, let's trade his contract to Miami for Beasley. I know people have Beas issues, but they guy can score. He's only 21 with a wealth of potential. Getting out of the party-land that is Miami and onto a team with vets like KG and Pierce will help the kid mature eons. I've said before, and I'll say it again: the thought of Beas and Rondo on a fastbreak makes me giddy. Couple Beasley's offensive prowess with Perk anchoring the D... I like that man...

Beasley with two solid mentors could become the second star of the future. As I've stated on another thread, I'm all for exploring this one.

I completely agree, Coach. He's misguided now, for sure. But with some solid coaching and a good environment, he could be something special.
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 12:07:15 AM »

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Yes. TP for this post.

I'm all about stopping the 3-peat. No ones wants that.

Morrow is a guy that would fit in great here, if I'm not mistaken though, he may be restricted.

As far as depth up front: if Sheed decides to retire, let's trade his contract to Miami for Beasley. I know people have Beas issues, but they guy can score. He's only 21 with a wealth of potential. Getting out of the party-land that is Miami and onto a team with vets like KG and Pierce will help the kid mature eons. I've said before, and I'll say it again: the thought of Beas and Rondo on a fastbreak makes me giddy. Couple Beasley's offensive prowess with Perk anchoring the D... I like that man...

In this case can we re-sign Sheed if he comes out of retirement or does he have to go back to the Heat first? I think Sheed has enough left to help us with another playoff run if he skips most of the season and I'd jump at getting Beasley for basically nothing.
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 12:41:49 AM »

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The Celtics have a couple big problems...

You guys seems to be forgetting that Perkins is going to be out for the first half of next season at the least. If Sheed retires that leaves us with Brian Scalabrine our best option to start at center and Shelden Williams to back him up.

Did you catch that?

I said Brian Scalabrine at starting Center and Shelden Williams to back him up.

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This off season, if we realistically want to give even the appearance of wanting to contend for a title next year, the 3 things we're looking at needing to find are:

1. A starting Center, most likely a  7 footer.
2. A backup PF who can double as a Center until Perk returns.
3. A starting F/SG. Even IF we hold onto Ray, we need someone consistent/young enough to carry our offense for long stretches at a time when Pierce and/or Ray need to go to the bench.

Retaining Nate is a pretty much a given at this point.

With Perkins hopefully returning sometime later in the season to fill out our bigs that is a team which has a chance to win a title.

Unfortunately, I don't think we have the flexibility to get 2 good Bigs and a good shooter or two with what we're looking at this offseason in terms of MLE and Cap space. Not if we keep Ray.

But even if we did, the sad thing is that even when Perkins does return, planning on that is a big risk to take considering he may end up looking like Bynum upon his return, except without the length and offensive ability. In that case, we'd be stuck with whatever big we picked up for the MLE and an assorted cast of roleplayers, hoping the Big 4 can pull off a title run without having actually upgraded at any position.

More of the same really except this time coming off of the most devastating loss in franchise history and did I mention a year older and a step slower?

Asking the fans to believe in this team again, especially if they look to put us through another dud of a regular season, is asking too much. The uproar in Boston that we should have traded Ray this summer will pretty much drive Ray out of the city by the All Star break, leaving our team in shambles.

The point is Ainge does not have the ability to do all of those things with Ray still on the books and he can't take the chance of rolling out this same product come next season and expecting a different result.

Ray and probably Baby have to go for us to get those 2 key Bigs along with what we're going to need to fill out the bench. All of this plus whatever we have to pay Nate.

At best we can hope to walk away from this off season with starting 5 of Rondo, Pierce, KG, a SG for the MLE (Reddick maybe?) and  a sign-and-trade for our starting Center... Nate, Shelden, Tony, A Draft Pick at the backup PF and a roleplaying SG/SF coming off the bench.

All things considered, 4 points was the difference between us having this conversation about what to do with Ray in the first place. Had we won, we would have rolled out the red carpets, seen Ray and the Big 3 retire as Celtics and if we didn't win for the next few years while we slowly rebuilt around Rondo come 2012-2014, oh well! We got what we wanted from this era and we couldn't have asked for more. Those guys would've been Celtics legends.

4 points.

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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2010, 12:44:45 AM »

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The Celtics have a couple big problems...

You guys seems to be forgetting that Perkins is going to be out for the first half of next season at the least.

Perk didn't tear his ACL. He could be healthy in a few months, even weeks. Torn PCL's heal on their own.
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Re: Offseason plan of attack
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2010, 01:07:36 AM »

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The Celtics have a couple big problems...

You guys seems to be forgetting that Perkins is going to be out for the first half of next season at the least.

Perk didn't tear his ACL. He could be healthy in a few months, even weeks. Torn PCL's heal on their own.

This is very true but... He also tore his MCL. With two ligaments damaged there's a much higher probability of a meniscus injury as well, I know, I've been there (ACL,MCL,Meniscus). That's purely speculation though, all I heard was PCL and MCL. Have they done an MRI yet? I've been kind of avoiding any and all basketball news ;)
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