Why Can't KG Rebound Anymore?

[CelticHooligan3]

Tp to scoobydoo! Rebounding is all about fundamentals and we as a team need to get back to that not just kg. And another poster said you can't close out on your man if your gonna box him out?? That's not correct at all. I was taught from a very early age you close out on your man quickly with a hand in his face but in control so as to not foul. Be disciplined about the pump fakes and don't give him the easy way out. And as soon as the ball leaves his hands you turn and put your ass into him elbows up high as you bend your knees so if he does go by you he has to step back and go around. But the point is to get physical and feel him so you know where he is the entire time. NBA players don't do this anymore. Rodman was the last as far as I'm concerned. KG and the rest of the Cs need to watch some old tape of him. Then they will realize how a 6'8" guy with limited ability led the league so many years in rebounding and defensive prowess. Fundamentals aren't taught to these kids anymore and to me it shows at the NBA level. And it's a shame.

[cdif911]

Tp to scoobydoo! Rebounding is all about fundamentals and we as a team need to get back to that not just kg. And another poster said you can't close out on your man if your gonna box him out?? That's not correct at all. I was taught from a very early age you close out on your man quickly with a hand in his face but in control so as to not foul. Be disciplined about the pump fakes and don't give him the easy way out. And as soon as the ball leaves his hands you turn and put your ass into him elbows up high as you bend your knees so if he does go by you he has to step back and go around. But the point is to get physical and feel him so you know where he is the entire time. NBA players don't do this anymore. Rodman was the last as far as I'm concerned. KG and the rest of the Cs need to watch some old tape of him. Then they will realize how a 6'8" guy with limited ability led the league so many years in rebounding and defensive prowess. Fundamentals aren't taught to these kids anymore and to me it shows at the NBA level. And it's a shame.

you had a good coach - that's exactly how I coach it   big thing though is to make sure to make contact with the body unless its the shooter - with the shooter if you make contact he may flop, so you have to really work to create space between you and him

[Brendan]

Tp to scoobydoo! Rebounding is all about fundamentals and we as a team need to get back to that not just kg. And another poster said you can't close out on your man if your gonna box him out?? That's not correct at all. I was taught from a very early age you close out on your man quickly with a hand in his face but in control so as to not foul. Be disciplined about the pump fakes and don't give him the easy way out. And as soon as the ball leaves his hands you turn and put your ass into him elbows up high as you bend your knees so if he does go by you he has to step back and go around. But the point is to get physical and feel him so you know where he is the entire time. NBA players don't do this anymore. Rodman was the last as far as I'm concerned. KG and the rest of the Cs need to watch some old tape of him. Then they will realize how a 6'8" guy with limited ability led the league so many years in rebounding and defensive prowess. Fundamentals aren't taught to these kids anymore and to me it shows at the NBA level. And it's a shame.

you had a good coach - that's exactly how I coach it   big thing though is to make sure to make contact with the body unless its the shooter - with the shooter if you make contact he may flop, so you have to really work to create space between you and him

I think Rodman had solid leaping ability. Otherwise I agree. Rodman could also read the angles of a rebound like no other - actually Rondo does that too. Rodman was so deadly because he was a great box out guy, but when his man was out of the play he knew how and where to crash to and snatch the board as well.

[Celtics4ever]

That move is easily countered by a saavy with a quick back bump to the boxer's out knee and a step over.  It grade school stuff and it works very well there but it doesn't apply to guys with over seven foot reaches as much or good athletes that can jump over the box out.  It only helps if the other big does not know the move mentioned above or if he doesn't know the spin move reverse pivot box out.  If it was as simple as you make it every one would use it.

Rebounding is about anticipation, desire to want the ball and moving to the ball to secure it.   Rodman had some of the best anticipation ever and he was fast to the ball.  I recall him him zipping to the ball and beating slower players alot as much if not more than boxing out.  He also wanted the ball and never gave up and was a quick leaper.  Cowens too was a great undersized rebounder.  KG has some intensity but its not the blue collar type that makes a good rebounder like Larry, Cowens, Russ or Rodman had. 

I don't think his body answers his beck and call like it used.  He would benefit greatly because boxing can and does help.  I think your vastly simplifying it.  I mean, look at the finals Gasol and Bynum were over the back all the time and they almost never got called.  But it would help him compensate for the decline of his physical abilities.

[u2larkin04]

in the playoffs it didnt look like kg was putting 2 hands on the ball to bring it down... maybe just me

[Quinn]

in the playoffs it didnt look like kg was putting 2 hands on the ball to bring it down... maybe just me

TP.

so true. I noticed that watching and actually cheered very sarcastically when he used two hands.

[CelticHooligan3]

This is all hypothetical celtics4ever but I've never seen anyone "back bump" someones knee to get a rebound. NEVER. And if anyone ever pulled that move on me you better beleive I'm turning around and swinging mike Tyson style on your face. That's not somthing you fool around with. I don't know where you learned to play bud but it's considered one of the dirtiest moves to go after someones knee in basketball in any respect. As for your reverse pivot step around box out thingy.. If your boxing out correctly it makes no matter. Cause your feeling the guy behind you with your body and your just moving with him. Very simple.

However you are right that rebounding us about anticapation and basically disire and heart. Moving to the ball to secure it is pretty obvious. I also agree the guys you mentioned were "blue collar" rebounders. And I just think that's something that's severely lacking in today's NBA. We need more throwbacks. That's the main point I was trying to make. As well as the fact the Celts especially with their age catching up to them need to start utilizeing these old school traits.

[droopdog7]

Rebounding is ENERGY, ACTIVITY, and WANT (in addition to all that fundamental stuff).  As players age, those three things tend to decrease.  It has happened to EVERY player as they get older and it has happened to KG.  Don't expect this to get any better because it won't.

[acieEarl]

Rebounding is ENERGY, ACTIVITY, and WANT (in addition to all that fundamental stuff).  As players age, those three things tend to decrease.  It has happened to EVERY player as they get older and it has happened to KG.  Don't expect this to get any better because it won't.

KG has always been a pogo stick, using his athleticism, his quick feet and long reach to be an excellent rebounder. After that knee injury he's lost some of the quickness and spring in his step. Now he needs to use a lot more of the fundamentals to rebound. Rodman was an instructional video of how to rebound. Did all the fundamental first and then used his quickness to go get the ball. Not sure why guys don't specialize more in rebounding. Any one who can average 10 boards and over can make it in this league.

[Assassin70]

Rebounding is ENERGY, ACTIVITY, and WANT (in addition to all that fundamental stuff).  As players age, those three things tend to decrease.  It has happened to EVERY player as they get older and it has happened to KG.  Don't expect this to get any better because it won't.

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And like others said, put 2 dam hands on the ball and snatch it out of the air.  Don't tip it or bat it around on routine rebounds! 

[Who]

Tp to scoobydoo! Rebounding is all about fundamentals and we as a team need to get back to that not just kg. And another poster said you can't close out on your man if your gonna box him out?? That's not correct at all. I was taught from a very early age you close out on your man quickly with a hand in his face but in control so as to not foul. Be disciplined about the pump fakes and don't give him the easy way out. And as soon as the ball leaves his hands you turn and put your ass into him elbows up high as you bend your knees so if he does go by you he has to step back and go around. But the point is to get physical and feel him so you know where he is the entire time. NBA players don't do this anymore. Rodman was the last as far as I'm concerned. KG and the rest of the Cs need to watch some old tape of him. Then they will realize how a 6'8" guy with limited ability led the league so many years in rebounding and defensive prowess. Fundamentals aren't taught to these kids anymore and to me it shows at the NBA level. And it's a shame.

you had a good coach - that's exactly how I coach it   big thing though is to make sure to make contact with the body unless its the shooter - with the shooter if you make contact he may flop, so you have to really work to create space between you and him

I think Rodman had solid leaping ability. Otherwise I agree. Rodman could also read the angles of a rebound like no other - actually Rondo does that too. Rodman was so deadly because he was a great box out guy, but when his man was out of the play he knew how and where to crash to and snatch the board as well.

Rodman had one of the quickest second and third jumps in the league.

[BballTim]

in the playoffs it didnt look like kg was putting 2 hands on the ball to bring it down... maybe just me

  This could be a symptom and not the problem. He could have been going up like that to compensate for issues he was having jumping off of that knee.

[Celtics4ever]

You 've never seen it because, its done below the waist with the hands up so you can swim your arm over the over man's shoulder.

Post play is not for the meek.  The move works very well.  I guessing you have never played past biddy ball from your naivety.  

Post play is somewhat dirty and one if always trying to get an advantage.  Here is another that goes on all the time.  You box out beside the guy keep your hands high.  This is critical so it looks clean.  The refs will call anything that looks like a foul, there doesn't have to be contact.  You then push down on the opposing players shoulders holding from jumping up, with your elbows.  The refs never catch it because they are looking for pushing at the waist level.  A lot of the pushing in the post is done with the thighs and the refs don't always catch it.  Give your best choir boy look, murder them below the waist and get those boards.

here is another, I 've seen Larry do this one.  You lean heavy on one side wait until the man shifts his weight into you, then step over to the other side to get inside of him whist he is off balance.  The other man will be lucky not to fall if this is done right.

If you took a swing at me in the game, you would get a foul.  I would not.  They always catch the retailiation but rarely the instigator.

That being I would love to play a game with you and let you take a swing at me.  Perhaps we could meet somewhere, where I am from talk is not cheap my man, one does not speak of throwing punches without being ready to back them up.  Your size matters not to me, I am willing to go against you.

[xmuscularghandix]

I think we’ll see KG’s rebounding numbers take a jump back up this year.

I have strong faith that we’ll se some great stuff from KG this season.

[CelticHooligan3]

Listen buddy I think most people here would agree that going for someones knees in any sport is extremely dirty and cheap. Especially in basketball where you rely on them so much. I don't care where your from or who you think you are but yeah if I felt you go for my knee I'd absolutley and rightfully turn around and pop you in your mouth. And I'm not one to toot my own horn so i'm not gonna go into how far I went as far as my own personal accomplishments on the hardwood. But I will tell you this it was farther than "biddy" ball whatever that means. And no I'm not nieve at all. I was usually on the court for my defense and rebounding and most nights I was about 4 to 6 inches smaller so you don't need to talk to me about what it feels like in the post. It's extremely physical and not for the meek or weak of heart. I understand that. But there's a difference between playing physical ball within the parameters of the game and taking cheap shots at peoples knees.

I had a friend who's father played at the collegiate level. He played against Erving and Ewing amongst others. By all accounts I've heard from others as well as him, he was being scouted for the draft through his senior season. He said that he was lighting some team up in front of a few scouts when the man guarding him pretty blatantly took out his knee. Dint ask me how or the details cause I was told this story as a young kid. Bottom line is he never played a game if basketball again. Not even pickup. But what stuck with me over the years was how he regretted not being able to retaliate or anything. I mean granted he was pretty bitter but in my mind rightfully so. He told me that I'd anyone on the court ever takes a cheap shot at your knee or a known injury that's pretty much picking a fight. And I completely agree. So ya guy you can talk down to me all you want be as cocky and arrogant as you want but you keep taking shots at peoples knee someone like me is gonna turn around and Kay you out. And justifiably. So keep it up just don't be surprised when your getting a knockout punch Rudy Tomjonovich style. Just my two cents.