Pierce Rondo End of Half

[LarBrd33]

Honestly I think PIerce and Rondo hate each other.  Pierce since the Walker/Pierce era has been notorious for being slow to embrace young players.  I remember hearing that they basically ignored Joe Johnson when he was starting to play well.  I think the battle of the egos and the big 3 holding onto their clique while Rondo was emerging was the main cause of our chemistry issues this season.  In retrospect, all the trade rumors in the offseason was probably a result of the Big 3 wanting Rondo gone.   I think it's glossed over how much of a divide there is between the young and old players on this team.  We've been hearing whispers about it for 2 seasons.   I think there is respect... and I think they get the job done... (someone already mentioned Mchale and bird disliking each other)... but I fully believe Pierce and Rondo hate each other.

[wiley]

The Rondo Pierce combo to me would seem the most likely to get into conflicts on the court....
due to speed/style of play and who gets to control the ball.....

I hope next year they do fine with each other as Rondo takes more and more responsibilty...

Overall, I'm happier when the ball is in Rondo's hands, though last night Paul was great and didn't turn the ball over as he sometimes does....but I'm also happy when Rondo does the majority of his scoring on fast breaks, busted plays where he drives, speed mismatches, etc....not looking for his offense first but taking it when it's there....

I don't care if he doesn't shoot from outside, even though he's supposed to.....he's always capable of getting a shot for someone else.....basically I'd like Rondo to go for low-scoring triple doubles with few turnovers.....

Don't get carried away with his own offense in other words....I love games where he's doing a good job as PG managing the game and maybe doesn't even score until the 3rd quarter, then scores like 12 straight points in a surprise attack....

[wiley]

Honestly I think PIerce and Rondo hate each other.  Pierce since the Walker/Pierce era has been notorious for being slow to embrace young players.  I remember hearing that they basically ignored Joe Johnson when he was starting to play well.  I think the battle of the egos and the big 3 holding onto their clique while Rondo was emerging was the main cause of our chemistry issues this season.  In retrospect, all the trade rumors in the offseason was probably a result of the Big 3 wanting Rondo gone.   I think it's glossed over how much of a divide there is between the young and old players on this team.  We've been hearing whispers about it for 2 seasons.   I think there is respect... and I think they get the job done... (someone already mentioned Mchale and bird disliking each other)... but I fully believe Pierce and Rondo hate each other.

Yeah, I'm not convinced Pierce is in love with Rondo's newfound star status....

[Mr October]

The big four, and Pierce/Rondo in particular, are very hard headed. Flareups are normal. No worries from me on this. They all know they need each other.

[LarBrd33]

Honestly I think PIerce and Rondo hate each other.  Pierce since the Walker/Pierce era has been notorious for being slow to embrace young players.  I remember hearing that they basically ignored Joe Johnson when he was starting to play well.  I think the battle of the egos and the big 3 holding onto their clique while Rondo was emerging was the main cause of our chemistry issues this season.  In retrospect, all the trade rumors in the offseason was probably a result of the Big 3 wanting Rondo gone.   I think it's glossed over how much of a divide there is between the young and old players on this team.  We've been hearing whispers about it for 2 seasons.   I think there is respect... and I think they get the job done... (someone already mentioned Mchale and bird disliking each other)... but I fully believe Pierce and Rondo hate each other.

Yeah, I'm not convinced Pierce is in love with Rondo's newfound star status....

In post-game interviews they give each other praise... but you still see half-time interviews with Jackie Mcmillan and "The Big 3"... while Rondo does his own half-time interview with Magic Johnson.    I can't think of one time I've ever seen someone sit down with "The Big 4".   They are reluctantly accepting him, but I don't think they are inviting him out to dinner.

[Dybdal]

In all honnesty i think there are alot more tension on this team than most people think but because of our coach having the primary alpha male role it dosnt surface as much as it does for alot of other teams.

Doc is the leader, he dosnt get into conflicts with the team and thus the core stays intact regardless of what happens but im positive that theres just as much hate on this team as the lakers.

Bottom line, the Celtics are human just like everyone else.. we just dont let it become a issue.

[nickagneta]

Two wrongs do not a right make.

Rondo should have given the ball up to Pierce because that was the called played. When he didn't, Pierce should have kept his head in the game and waited for Rondo to come back to him or seeing that Rondo was changing the played, played the new play out.

Rondo has been less than stellar as a whole for this series. So has Pierce. They have both had their moments and struggles.

But I can't help but think that Pierce was showing his immaturity and inability to relinquish the role as THE player on this team when he did what he did. In all it's really no big deal but you would figure this stuff wouldn't be rearing it's ugly head this late in the season.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Rondo should have given Pierce the ball initially.

Instead, Rondo saw Paul open and decided to go in a different direction. Once the LA defender forced Rondo to pick up his dribble Rondo was in desperation mode to get the ball to somebody, but Pierce had already been turned down when he was open.

Even if Pierce never turned his back to Rondo, then he (PP) would have received the ball with under 2 seconds left practically standing at half-court.

IMHO it was Rondo's error not to deliver Pierce the ball when he was open initially.

[kenmaine]

After reading this thread I had to doublecheck to make sure that the Celtics are actually in the NBA finals and leading 3 games to 2.
GMAB guys, try to appreciate what's happening instead of gossiping like a bunch of 12 year old girls.

[nickagneta]

Rondo should have given Pierce the ball initially.

Instead, Rondo saw Paul open and decided to go in a different direction. Once the LA defender forced Rondo to pick up his dribble Rondo was in desperation mode to get the ball to somebody, but Pierce had already been turned down when he was open.

Even if Pierce never turned his back to Rondo, then he (PP) would have received the ball with under 2 seconds left practically standing at half-court.

IMHO it was Rondo's error not to deliver Pierce the ball when he was open initially.

This isn't correct. When Rondo pulled up his dribble he looked Pierce's way and Pierce was looking in the other direction. He then passed it to his left to Ray Allen who then passed it back to Rondo who then tried to drive and never got a shot up.

Pierce might not have had the same amount of time left if he had been given the ball when Rondo pulled up his dribble. He might not have had enough to to pull a completely effective pick and roll play had he gotten the ball when Rondo pulled up his dribble. But he would have had plenty of time to attempt something off the dribble including a dribble in step back pull up jumper that he is famous for.

There weren't only 2 seconds left and Pierce was not nearly at half court when Rondo looked back to pass to Pierce when he pulled up hi dribble. And if Pierce didn't immaturely look away and take himself out of the play to the detriment of his team because he had been slighted, he would still have been able to possibly do something positive for his team.

Rondo, the 24 year old PG, was wrong for not following the play called. But he stayed in the game mentally after making his mistake and tried to make the most of it. Can the same be said of the 12 year veteran and Captain of the team?

[RAcker]

Rondo should have given Pierce the ball initially.

Instead, Rondo saw Paul open and decided to go in a different direction. Once the LA defender forced Rondo to pick up his dribble Rondo was in desperation mode to get the ball to somebody, but Pierce had already been turned down when he was open.

Even if Pierce never turned his back to Rondo, then he (PP) would have received the ball with under 2 seconds left practically standing at half-court.

IMHO it was Rondo's error not to deliver Pierce the ball when he was open initially.

This isn't correct. When Rondo pulled up his dribble he looked Pierce's way and Pierce was looking in the other direction. He then passed it to his left to Ray Allen who then passed it back to Rondo who then tried to drive and never got a shot up.

Pierce might not have had the same amount of time left if he had been given the ball when Rondo pulled up his dribble. He might not have had enough to to pull a completely effective pick and roll play had he gotten the ball when Rondo pulled up his dribble. But he would have had plenty of time to attempt something off the dribble including a dribble in step back pull up jumper that he is famous for.

There weren't only 2 seconds left and Pierce was not nearly at half court when Rondo looked back to pass to Pierce when he pulled up hi dribble. And if Pierce didn't immaturely look away and take himself out of the play to the detriment of his team because he had been slighted, he would still have been able to possibly do something positive for his team.

Rondo, the 24 year old PG, was wrong for not following the play called. But he stayed in the game mentally after making his mistake and tried to make the most of it. Can the same be said of the 12 year veteran and Captain of the team?

Agreed.  Just seemed immature and odd.

[JSD]

It was as simple as Pierce "feelin it" and being aggrivated not to have the ball in his hands at that particular moment.

Also, Rondo being shopped last offseason had more to do with contract negotiations than anything else.

You could take certain snapshot's of my brother and me throughout the years and come to the conclusion that we hated one another... We don't.

[2short]

If Paul isn't accepting him etc he need only look back at his own career when he was a bit of an attitude, off court issues and me first thing going.  I'm happy to have both, to me rondo is a kg sort of guy who will be THE guy down the road but we have 2 alpha dogs on this team , pp and rondo.  Ray Allen has taken a back seat as KG did, PP is still the guy on the team and has been here for so long that I understand how it would be difficult.
I am happier with ball in rondos hands though

[dark_lord]

there was miscommunication, frustration, and a few words. it is a dead issue and we won the game.  no biggie.  this happens a lot more than we think in professional sports.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

If i had to say, i would say pp was hot, wanted the ball, Rondo tried, but had to look all over, when he looked at pp, he wasn't with it..so he did what he could...pp can be ...tough sometimes, and needs to be regulated sometimes....or he will just do his thing too much.....What we should be concerned about is Perk losing his mind.......no hands, not staying with his man, when bynum was in and working, and then a crazy fast break....everyone blasted sheldon for one bad pass, but TA could have helped by trying to get it......Perk did that all by himself...result, a turnover AND a foul........what the heck was he thinking........all about me time..? Wanna dunk Perk, try hustling for an extra offensive rebound.....7'.....he did redeam himself later...by doing his JOB......a few good rebounds and smart resets.......