okay, i forgot about this one, a friend just reminded me...did you see it, it was the most blantent attempt at permanently injuring Ray, I have seen so far, for a pick ron artest, couldn't get ray with his body, so he put his knee wayyyy out there, giving ray a bad charlie horse, but that is the type of play that killed cam neeley...that is how you ruin a guys knee for life.....did he get a T, no , was it reviewed, no...do we need an enforcer.....?