I'm done

[angryguy77]

With the NBA.

If the next two games are called like a typical NBA playoff game should be(no ticky tack bs), I will no longer care about what happens until that rat stern is gone.

Now some of you might say I'm reacting to a loss and blaming the wrong people. Well I say go back and watch the game. Boston didn't play perfect, but no team should have to play flawless to win a game.
If you happen to be in the "Refs cant screw a team out of a win" catagory, then I suggest you go to another thread and talk about if Boston could have just shot 100% from the line they would have won because we know that happens all the time.


Now we know that the NBA is consistant in one thing, and that is incosistant officiating. However in this series all three games have had the same flow to them, touch fouls on one end, and rape on the other. Doesn't make sense as to why all the refs seem to be on the same page in each game. But every other time its the opposite.

I don't recall this type of officiating to be the norm in the playoffs. Sure you may have a game where this happens but not a whole series. Generaly teams are allowed to play more physical and they let the players decide who wins.

And then it hit me, Stern and the rest know that if this series is called like it should be, the Celtics would dominate LA and this would be over in 5. WE are better in every posisiton except one. But we can't have another poor finals so they have to do whatever they can to make it go as long as possible. It has to look competative.

Very fishy that every time Boston made a run there was a bs call to break the momuntum. Every time PP started to get going there was a foul. No matter what happened there was a call that broke the momentume.


I'm calling it right now: the next two games will be called like they should be. Boston will win and send it back to LA where stern can get his jollies by seeing a finals go to seven games and see the ratings rise. Part of me doesn't want to see this because it will force me from the game and team I love until that crook is gone. The other part of me wants it that way so at least they have a chance to take this.


Either way I'm sad that this great sport has done noting to clean its act up and assure us fans that the better team wins. It has done nothing to prove that the good of the game trumps the bank account.

If what I say does come true, how can we not think this league is corrupt?

[PosImpos]

You know who didn't lose tonight because of the officiating?  The Boston Celtics.

[MattG12]

Hate to say it but I'm starting to feel the same way. 

[Rondo_is_better]

You know who didn't lose tonight because of the officiating?  The Boston Celtics.

Read his post: you're not wanted here because you're one of those nuts who thinks the refs have nothing to do with a game. What he pointed out:

1. touch fouls and rape
2. momentum breaking, really absurd calls

are absolute facts of this series. How you can not see that is absolutely beyond me, and they have extreme extenuating effects.

[luckthefakers]

The league probably isn't rigged (although WCF game 6 2002 makes me pause); however, it has by far the most incompetent officials in all of major sports, so bad that we know them by name.  Tonight's game was an abomination.  I didn't think it was possible to outdo the bad officiating in games #1 and #2, but they did it in spades.  

Yeah, you can always say "well if Ray hit a few shots the C's would have won" etc, but that doesn't mean that the officiating didn't have a huge role in the outcome.  It was flat out bad.  So far in every game in this series multiple marquee players have been taken out by ticky-tack fouls, which would be bad enough except then later in the game they refuse to call them.  

The NBA seriously needs to rethink this product, because it is going downhill fast.

[PosImpos]

You know who didn't lose tonight because of the officiating?  The Boston Celtics.

Read his post: you're not wanted here because you're one of those nuts who thinks the refs have nothing to do with a game. What he pointed out:

1. touch fouls and rape
2. momentum breaking, really absurd calls

are absolute facts of this series. How you can not see that is absolutely beyond me, and they have extreme extenuating effects.

Did I say the refs were good tonight?  No.  I was seriously sick of all the whistles in this game.

But you can't blame the refs for the loss.  The Celtics lost tonight because the Lakers were better.  Simple as that.  

Btw, I don't appreciate the unfounded ad hominem.  Dial it down.

[tgreanier]

Not the first time I have mentioned this:

Before the Finals began, I knew this was my last year with the NBA. I have been a fan for 35 years, but I cannot take the officiating any more. I don't know if it is corrupt or incompetent, but whatever it is it is awful and has ruined the sport. After this Finals, whoever wins, I am walking away with my memories of the Celtics for three-and-a-half decades and focusing on college ball instead. I will miss the NBA I used to know - and it wasn't perfect, but it was not like this.

I do believe tonight the refs were targeting Paul for whatever reason. It was too uncanny how every time he hit the floor, some new foul was called. I saw two fouls of his five. I know for a fact his fifth foul was the worst call of the series so far.

But the Celtics could have won this game with some better play after they cut the game to 1 point. It was their game at that point and they let it get away. Ray was cold and everyone knew it. Rondo should have been driving to the hoop ALL NIGHT, not the two times he managed to figure it out. So many ways to win, even with the crappy officiating.

But that's why this is the death of the NBA - every night it is a collection of bogus calls by corrupt and/or incompetent officials getting in the way of the players playing the game.

[vinnie]

The Celtics lost tonight because Ray Allen could not throw the ball in the ocean and Rajon Rondo was too passive. Refs made bad calls on both sides.

[BigBaby]

Hey the refs tried to help us a bit in the 2nd half, but Fisher kept hitting those shots. We had twice as many FT as them in the 2nd half (until we intentionally fouled).

[ibby]

...it has by far the most incompetent officials in all of major sports, so bad that we know them by name...

Two things.

1.  It is also the most difficult sport to call (because a lot of calls are so subjective), but it is also the sport most affected by the officials.

2.  We shouldn't know their names.  Once we do they should no longer be allowed to be officials.  Someone like Joey Crawford should no longer be allowed to be a ref after the Tim Duncan incident.  Or the Rajon Rondo incident.  Or one of 100+ other incidents.  If I remember correctly Crawford was featured All-Star Saturday night like 2 years ago racing Charles Barkley.  I think he thinks a lot of people are there to watch him officiate, and he is not the only one.

[angryguy77]

Not the first time I have mentioned this:

Before the Finals began, I knew this was my last year with the NBA. I have been a fan for 35 years, but I cannot take the officiating any more. I don't know if it is corrupt or incompetent, but whatever it is it is awful and has ruined the sport. After this Finals, whoever wins, I am walking away with my memories of the Celtics for three-and-a-half decades and focusing on college ball instead. I will miss the NBA I used to know - and it wasn't perfect, but it was not like this.

I do believe tonight the refs were targeting Paul for whatever reason. It was too uncanny how every time he hit the floor, some new foul was called. I saw two fouls of his five. I know for a fact his fifth foul was the worst call of the series so far.

But the Celtics could have won this game with some better play after they cut the game to 1 point. It was their game at that point and they let it get away. Ray was cold and everyone knew it. Rondo should have been driving to the hoop ALL NIGHT, not the two times he managed to figure it out. So many ways to win, even with the crappy officiating.

But that's why this is the death of the NBA - every night it is a collection of bogus calls by corrupt and/or incompetent officials getting in the way of the players playing the game.

Thats the thing about this that drives me insane. Yes we could have played better and pulled it out. But if this game was called close to even (on our home court btw) we would have won this even though ray couldn't buy a shot. This is 3 games now that have been just plain criminal with the way they were officiated. How can three games in a row be so bad? I can understand a game or two in a series, but not 3 in a row. We are at home and still do not get favored. If the style of the officiating changes the next two games, I will not be able,to understand how anyone cannot suspect bs.

[luckthefakers]

But the Celtics could have won this game with some better play after they cut the game to 1 point.

IIRC, it was that possession or the next one where they whistled Ray for a bogus offensive foul of yet another Fisher flop.  Fisher was clutching him the entire game and they only called it twice, which is bad enough, but to exacerbate it with this call at this time?  Come on...  Let them play!

[tgreanier]

Hey the refs tried to help us a bit in the 2nd half, but Fisher kept hitting those shots. We had twice as many FT as them in the 2nd half (until we intentionally fouled).

This statement exactly sums up why the NBA is dying. I want to watch a basketball game, not an officiating game. It is a matter of course now that a gameplan should include what the officials will do. I want to see green and yellow playing, not black and white. I do not want to watch a league where I look for help from the officials.

[Rondo_is_better]

You know who didn't lose tonight because of the officiating?  The Boston Celtics.

Read his post: you're not wanted here because you're one of those nuts who thinks the refs have nothing to do with a game. What he pointed out:

1. touch fouls and rape
2. momentum breaking, really absurd calls

are absolute facts of this series. How you can not see that is absolutely beyond me, and they have extreme extenuating effects.

Did I say the refs were good tonight?  No.  I was seriously sick of all the whistles in this game.

But you can't blame the refs for the loss.  The Celtics lost tonight because the Lakers were better.  Simple as that.  

Btw, I don't appreciate the unfounded ad hominem.  Dial it down.

 The refs gave the lakers:

- additional possessions
- additional rebounds
- additional shots
- allowed laker players to stay on the floor and remain aggressive
- took freethrows and possession away from the celtics
- took our players out of rhythm, out of the game, or forced them to be less aggressive

Yet that didn't really have anything to do with it, huh? In a game  with 2-6 points of separation (after we stopped playing like crap and got our act together in the 2nd half) all those things the refs did for the lakers didn't have anything to do with it? The Lakers, played ok, and made some shots, and we had some lapses, but we played terrific D the last 18 minutes of the game, you can't expect a team to be perfect for such a a long stretch. The Lakers weren't perfect, either. They were less perfect than we were, in fact. They just got the benefit of the refs. That covered up their mistakes. Gave them enough to win. They would have lost if this game wasn't called horribly.

And the "ad hominem" was justified. You were super snarky in your first post. Just because I used a pronoun and you didn't doesn't make our posts any different.

[BigBaby]

Hey the refs tried to help us a bit in the 2nd half, but Fisher kept hitting those shots. We had twice as many FT as them in the 2nd half (until we intentionally fouled).

This statement exactly sums up why the NBA is dying. I want to watch a basketball game, not an officiating game. It is a matter of course now that a gameplan should include what the officials will do. I want to see green and yellow playing, not black and white. I do not want to watch a league where I look for help from the officials.

agreed man. even if the outcome isn't changed it feels so fake to watch. a [dang] shame. tough economy though.